– Everything I can get my hands
on about “Veep” I read. Because it’s… You guys–
You can just tell how hard you guys have worked
on it and how much you all love the show, just like you said,
just as much as the fans do. – Um…
– We love each other. – Yeah.
– ‘Cause we were so… We were so abusive to each other
in the show. And people were called
the worst names. I had gotten…
I mean, it think Gary was just treated really badly, but
I wasn’t called so many names. I was called Cow Eyes.
I remember. And I was called a bitchy mime
was one of ’em. But, like, Jonah,
who Tim Simons plays, he was called the worst. And it’s hard not
to take that personally when they are talking about–
He was called, once, somebody said,
“You have a weird shape.” And he’s like, how do I not take
that personally? ♪♪ – Tony, I’m so glad you’re here. – I like the pop of yellow
nail you got. – Thank you.
– That’s my favorite color. – Really?
– Mm-hmm. – I love yellow.
– That’s my favorite color. – You got a pop of yellow
going, too. – I look like a bad
boy band right now. – You look awesome.
– But thank you. – Did you put together this
outfit yourself? No way. – No…
– No way. – There’s no way I…
– It’s so hip. – But I put it on this morning
and I was, like, okay. I don’t know
if this is the choice. Thank you.
– No, you look good. You’re in “Toy Story 4.”
I know that. You play Forky.
– I play Forky. Who, uh, is, is– He is made by
the little girl, Bonnie. And thinks he’s only made to,
like, help people eat chili. And then the trash.
And Woody comes along and he’s, like, you’ve got a bigger
purpose in that you have value. – Oh, my gosh.
– Isn’t that beautiful? – Plastic has value.
– It does and so do we. – We do.
– However you see yourself, however you feel about yourself,
you got purpose and value. – Oh, my gosh, that’s…
– Let’s preach. – Let’s preach, um, that is,
that’s the message there is that even when you feel,
um… that is the hardest thing to do as a human being
is to, when you’re feeling bad about yourself, to, like,
to like yourself. But you’re all you have. – Sure and also realize that
those feelings kind of come and go, you know,
they don’t stick so much. – Yes.
– You can kind of acknowledge. Like, oh, yeah, here’s–
I’m having a moment where I’m feeling this or I’m
thinking that, it’s whatever. It’s, like, it’ll pass.
– That’s the thing… That is really important
to always realize because when you’re feeling so sad
sometimes, you’re, like, almost the pain is that
it won’t go away. – Absolutely
– You’re almost anticipating, like, I’m never gonna
feel good again. – I know, I know.
– And then it’s, like… No, it will pass,
it’s, like a storm. – It’s the biggest lie–
I think that’s the lie that we probably tell ourself
is that it’s not gonna change. – Yes.
– You know? – And it always does.
– Always, so we’re in a constant state of change.
– And even when things are going great…
– Yeah. – That’s the thing, too.
– Yeah. – Whenever I’ve had a TV show in
the past and people are, like, congratulations, I’m always,
like, it’s gonna get canceled. And that’s not me being, like,
negative, I’m just saying, I– – You almost wanna prepare. – Yeah, I just wanna know that,
you know, things come and go. And, and, and…
– Especially in this business. – Yes.
– Fully cyclical. – Yes, it is, I, uh, I’ve been
doing this thing recently. This is a really– this is
embarrassing to admit. – Unh-unh.
– Yeah, let’s hear it. – Um, when I have guy troubles
where, like, I feel rejected by a guy, I keep trying to go…
– Ohh… – …back to, like, I’m really
liking myself recently. I’ve been working on, like,
liking myself a lot more. ‘Cause it’s all I have and I’m
just starting to realize that at 35 years of age.
But I just– I’ve been doing this thing where I’m, like,
I’m not hearing from this guy. And then I go, wait a second.
Nikki Glaser likes you. She’s so cool.
Oh, my God, like… You’re so lucky
she’s into you right now. And I, like, flatter myself by
liking myself. Isn’t that crazy?
But it kind of works. – If it works…
– Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. – Because if I…
– It’s a self-help technique. – Yes, do you have any self-help
techniques? Any little hacks?
– I think… Oh, I love me some hacks.
– Yeah. – My thing is to stay present.
I think that’s the most challenging thing of, like…
Somebody said, I say somebody said.
My therapist… But it’s just that sense of,
like, whenever you find yourself checked out somewhere else,
you kind of, you know, touch the table around you
or touch your jacket. Like, ground yourself and…
– Oh. – That whole thing of, like,
you have to wake yourself up 100 times a day
to where you are. Like, right now, I’m talking
to Nikki and her friends. And it’s, like,
that’s where I am right now. ‘Cause I’ll be somewhere
else in my head. I’ll just be checked out.
– I know. Our thoughts–
You just forget that your thoughts really aren’t you.
– Mm-hmm. – It’s, like, there are things
that are coming into your head. – Mm-hmm.
– But it’s not… ‘Cause, I don’t know, I just
got into this thing of, like, your thoughts– If you can
control your thoughts and your thoughts
will determine how you feel. I always thought my feelings were, like,
controlling my thoughts. But if you are able to just let
thoughts kind of come and go and realize that they’re…
– Yeah. – Like, you said, they’re not
there to stay, they’re– – Unh-unh.
– I picture myself being, like, walking into the ocean and,
like, getting hit by waves. – Yeah.
– And instead of just, like, getting hit by them,
just, like, diving into them. And letting them pass
over you gracefully. – I used to struggle
with panic attacks. – Yeah!
– When I was younger. And it was that sense of–
I remember one time, I was about, this was years ago,
I was about to go on “Conan.” And right before they pulled
the curtain, I felt that dread come over me
and I was, like, oh, shit. This is that moment where you
either bolt or keep walking. And it was that thing of, like,
letting it wash over you. Rather than fighting it,
just, like, you know what? I’m just gonna– here’s this
feeling, I’m gonna let it wash over you, and it always, always
passes, always pass… – Yes, you felt that right
as they were about to pull the curtain back?
– Right, and one other technique I did was I remember
these two guys who were holding the curtain. And I was, like, I started
asking them questions. I was, like, oh,
where are you from? What do you do?
What’s going on? Because the key is get
my eyes off myself. Because you kind of get on that
self-crazy in your mind. And it’s, like, I just gotta get
my eyes off myself and start thinking about somebody else.
– Yes. I had a similar thing
on “Conan.” ‘Cause his new format is just
talking to him. – Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. – And it’s a little bit…
And I was going out there with, like, jokes to do almost
like a stand-up act. But I had to make it
conversational. But I’m not used to telling my
jokes with someone going, uh-huh, yeah, and then…
And interjecting. – Yeah, yeah, yeah. – So at some– I remember
looking at him and being, like, I don’t know
what I’m saying next. I don’t know what
I’m saying next. – Do you have those moments
where you’re kind of, you’re– It’s like you’re floating above
your body and you’re watching yourself talk
and you’re, like, shut up. – Yes. – Stop moving your mouth.
– Yes. – Yeah.
– It happens, in those moments when it’s live and you’re just,
like, I don’t know what I’m gonna say next.
– Exactly. – And I don’t know
what I’m saying right now. – Yeah, yeah.
– That’s wild. I’m glad that you have that,
too, because I felt, like, maybe this is the mark
of someone who shouldn’t be doing this.
– No, no. Another thing I do about the
feelings thing is somebody said once, like, it’s like
you watch cars on a highway. It’s, like, you’re just kind of,
like, oh, yeah. There’s that feeling,
there’s that thought. Like, being a dad,
I’m, like, oh, there’s that thought that
someone’s gonna kid– You know, just crazy thoughts
that I have. Somebody’s gonna kidnap my
daughter or something nutty. But you– the problem is,
I remember years ago, you fell a victim to your
thoughts and feelings. It’s that kind
of sense of, like, oh my God, I’m suffocating. However, then you go, oh, yeah,
there’s– you almost label them. There’s that thought.
There’s that thought. And they just come and go. – Yes, they really do.
– Like, there’s that thought. I’m on “Conan” and I’m…
screwing up and… There’s that thought and then
you just kind of… ‘Cause it’s almost, like, if you
fight it, it’d be, like, oh, I can’t believe
I’m thinking that or I don’t wanna think that. It almost gives it more power.
– Yes. – Rather than just saying,
yeah, of course, of course you’re gonna come up and–
when I’m doing this. Of course, you’re there. – You know what you
just reminded me of? And I’m trying to think of
another– Like, you know when you
have a floater in your eye. And if you watch it,
it keeps, like, moving. – Mm-hmm.
– To the– but if you just let it go, like, you just let it go,
it’ll drift out. But if you watch it, it’ll,
like, track with your eye. – Yeah, yeah, yeah.
– Does that make any sense? – And it also becomes the only
thing you’re thinking about. – Yes, yes, but we have…
– Mm-hmm. – …so many floaters, like,
just like in our eyes with our thoughts and they’re
not you. They’re just like these outside
things that they’re, like, trash blowing in the wind.
– Yeah. – And you can choose to, like,
run after it or you can just, like, American Beauty it and,
like, watch it. And then watch it fly away.
– That’s a good image. – Yeah.
– Yeah… – I love that movie.
Um, God, Tony, I loved the “Veep” season, um, the final
season of “Veep” so much. You were so amazing on it.
– I did, too. – Your final scene, um…
– Whoof. – Boy, man, that came out of
nowhere for me ’cause I go, I can’t believe I’m not gonna
cry at the end of “Veep”. Like, they did a great job
of making me feel, like… You know, this sense of closure.
I laughed. I felt just, like,
I’m ready to let this show go. And I feel good about it, like,
it just was a great feeling. And I go I can’t believe
I’m not gonna cry, though. Like, it just seems
like I should. And then you come in. And, oh, my God, that–
I mean… – Wasn’t that sad? – It was beautiful.
– You know what, though? I appreciate you saying that. A, ’cause I love the show
as much as you do which is very kind to hear,
but it’s also– He was in such an abuse cycle
with Selina. – Yes.
– Just, like, just… He was just like a dog
returned to its vomit. – Just constantly
keep going back. – Yes.
– And… and then, what she did to him at the end,
you know what, though? That’s the only thing that was
gonna break him from that cycle. So it was to me,
I saw it as a gift. It was, like,
that’s the only thing that was gonna bring him out. – Wow, I love that. You’re right
because it was, like, how much can this guy take? Is there a limit and there…
– He would’ve kept going. – He– oh, man, he… – He would’ve 100% kept going. – But when you show up at the
end and you put the– I mean, it was so good.
I, I, I read so much. I read the, um, an oral history
you guys did an interview. – Oh, yeah,
in “Hollywood Reporter.” – I just– the thing that kept,
I kept butting up against was that you all talked about how hard it was
to make this show. How exhausting it was.
And I don’t hear that about a lot of comedy shows. I mean, you hear about it, like,
when they made “Titanic.” It was freezing in the water,
like, that’s how you guys talk about the show
because you wanted to get every little joke in. Can you talk to me about that?
– Mm-hmm. – Why is that different than
other shows you’ve worked on? – Well, I mean, I think
probably the challenge was… A, it was, just to say, like,
it was hard but it was such– I’m so grateful and such a joy. But the tough thing was,
we shot, like, 15 pages in a day which is very
rare for television. Usually shoot,
like, three or four, but, it was like
an organized chaos. Like, they wanted it always
to look chaotic. So it took a lot of
choreography. Okay, now you come in here,
you come in here. And then with her, you’re gonna
drop your coat there. And then we’re gonna get–
Put your coat back on. And you had to–
You didn’t just have to do it. You had to find
the right rhythm. – It was a dance.
– As a, as a comic actress herself, it’s, like you, you
know when it doesn’t feel right and you’re, like, something
feels off. And then when it does feel
right, you’re, like, this feels right, you know?
– Yes. – And getting to that
place was tricky. – And it would take– how much
would you guys rehearse before you would start shooting? – We used to rehearse
a lot more. But we would, we would…
Yeah, we would have a good time to kind of get that
kind of chaos together. Um, but then the thing is,
like, typical TV. You don’t spend much time on it
and then it’s done. And then it’s shot in, like,
three takes and you’re, like, wow that was– then I’m never
gonna do that again. – Never, yeah.
– Whereas in film, you might spend
two weeks on one scene. – Mmm, yeah.
– You know, so, it was quick. – And the thing that I like
about “Veep” so much, and especially your character
and I found myself doing this so much in this last season is
that you would have these little comments under your breath
that I would, I would– First of all, I always watch
with the subtitles on. Because I don’t wanna
miss a single joke. – I did that
with “Game of Thrones.” – Yeah, you have too.
– ‘Cause I didn’t really– I didn’t really fully understand
what was going on. – Nor did I ever, I didn’t even
attempt with that show. – Well, I was… no, that’s
a whole nother topic. – What, what? – Well, I was– I watched
the very first episode years ago And they pushed that kid out
the window and I was, like, I’m not watch– I’m not,
I’m out. I can’t, I can’t
see children in peril. It’s just too much. And so then I wanted to watch
the final season with my wife. ‘Cause she was a big fan.
And so I watched a 12-minute YouTube
to figure out what’s going on. And then I was in.
– Yeah. – But, like, it was– but
I still had to watch subtitles. I didn’t know what they
were talking about. But I kinda got it. – Yeah, subtitles really do help
even when you speak the language that they’re
speaking, um… And I found it with you
especially, like, there’s this one–
– I love how you say that. Like, I speak
the “Game of Thrones.” (laughing) – Okay, that is
a weird language. – Even when you speak
their language… It’s still confusing. – But I remember there was one
scene where you were talking about– there was just some line
you had where if you and Selina had run
together, and someone made a joke about it
and you go, we would have killed it. But I had to go back and listen
’cause the subtitle didn’t even get it, like,
the guy that was transcribing didn’t even get it. I go, what did he whisper
in her ear? And finally, I go…
We woulda killed it. (laughing) It was so subtle and so good.
– I mean, that’s his dream. She is the Second Coming. And nobody has woken up
to that! – No one.
Oh, God. You talk a lot about, um,
you were just talking about how,
when you shoot something and then you’re done
and you can’t go back to it, I, um, I’ve been struggling
with that too, ’cause I just taped
a Netflix special and I’m going back to edit it.
– Congratulations. – Thank you.
– Nikki, that’s huge. – It’s so hard…
– Where did you do it? – I did it in L.A. and I…
– Wow. – …I did an hour and a half, and I have to cut it down
to an hour. And it’s brutal
to watch myself. I– Have you– have you ever had
to edit yourself? – No, well,
here’s the thing, I… This is why I have such
admiration for what you just told me. Because I don’t mind– Watching “Veep,” “Arrested,” I kind of a little bit
detach myself. It’s watching myself
on talk shows where I’m just like…
(loud grunting) – Yeah?
– ‘Cause that’s me and that’s how I come off. So you’re watching
an hour and a half of just you being you…
– Yes. – …which– that is tricky,
you know? And it’s also cutting down– Cutting 30 minutes off
is not easy. You just have to cut out
a lot of crowd reaction? – I’m– No, I have to cut out
like actual jokes and just, you see…
– Killing your babies. – It is, but it’s also…
– That’s a dark thought. Sorry. – It’s like throwing your babies
out of a– out of a castle. – I meant to say
“killing your darlings.” And it came out like “babies.”
– (laughing) – God! Hale!
As he promotes “Toy Story 4.” (laughter) What’s happening? – Oh! It is…
– Oh, my God. – It’s brutal. I just don’t…
– That was rough. – You know what I love
about doing, like when there’s other… when you can just tape something
and then you go, well, I can’t edit it. Whatever it turns into,
if I don’t like it, I can blame it on external
forces beyond myself. – Mm-hmm.
– But when it’s just you, you’re like, anything that’s
wrong with it is me. – So you’re in the room
the whole time. – Yeah, man, it’s– it– This is what I did.
I was… I’ve never pushed something
so much in my life. I was supposed
to give notes on it and just cut out 30 minutes
for the past two weeks. And they’re following up
with Netflix is like, hey, we’d love to see
your notes. And I just couldn’t do it.
– Mmm… – And so I just asked my friends
what they thought. And I did a focus group
and I pulled all of their… – Good, good.
– I paid my friends to watch it ’cause I– I just go,
I can’t. I’m getting hot
even thinking about it. But I eventually had
to watch it last night and it was– it’s– it’s
so procrastinating. You can get so much done
when you procrastinate. I clean my house.
I organize. I got like…
– Yes. – I worked out so much…
– A lot of self-talk. – Yeah.
– Okay, yeah. – But do you– do you
procrastinate? Do you have problems
with procrastination? – You know, I do,
but I found out that I think I have
a little touch of the ADD or something, because
when I drink coffee, I get very, very focused.
– Oh. – And so in the morning,
I am very focused. And that’s a really good
time to work, and then everything else,
unless I have structure, I’ll just watch reality shows
the whole time. – What reality shows
are you into? – Um, I watch some
“Real Housewives” with my wife. – Yeah?
– And we watch “Amazing Race,” “Survivor,” um,
I’ve seen “RuPaul–” I was guest judge on
“RuPaul’s Drag Race” this year, so I got into that.
– Yes! Uh-huh. Contouring, still don’t–
still don’t understand it, but I’m amazed by it. – Oh, my God,
it’s incredible. – Amazed.
– It’s transformative. – I don’t understand how those–
those dark lines that they put on the face
and then they blend ’em in, how it changes the face.
I don’t get it. – It’s nuts,
thanks to the Kardashians… – Well, I mean, thank you.
– …anyone can have a face like that.
– Right. – It’s crazy. You can just…
– And every YouTuber out there, it seems like.
– Oh, yeah. And then, when you get it wrong,
it looks so terrible. – Yeah.
– But yeah, um, so I love reality
programming, too. Would you ever do
a reality show? – I don’t know.
I mean, I– No. I mean, I don’t think so,
unless it’s like a competition. ‘Cause I do– I’m sure–
I’m sure you do this when you’re watching
these shows, I kinda think,
you guys have a family that– This is not gonna go away. Like this is going to be
your legacy on– having these moments that, by
the way, are edited not by you. You know, so it’s like who knows
how you’re gonna come out? And that’s gonna be a part
of your legacy. Do you want that?
– Yeah. – So it’s tricky.
– It is. I– I– This– The thing that
I’m dying to do a reality show. Like that’s all I wanna do,
just because… – Really? What kind of
a reality show would you do? – I don’t wanna memorize lines.
I don’t wanna practice. I don’t wanna do any of the…
– Did you have a… When you were doing
your hour-and-a-half set, did you have like
a sheet of paper that you would refer to,
or how did that work? – I had done it so many times,
I had it memorized. But I had a teleprompter
just in case. – You did…
– And like just with words. Just like one word,
like almost like a… – Your setlist.
– Yeah, like just a setlist. – If you, after you’re
watching it, if you could think of one moment
or one story that you told that immediately gives you joy that you were able
to put that out there, what would be the–
what would be– which one would that be?
– Um, it’s encouraging women not to sleep with men.
– Good. – Ever.
– Hell yeah. Whoo. – Not ever.
– Sure, sure. – You know what it is,
I really feel like… – They’re trash.
– I’m– Stop. Don’t sleep with guys too soon. Girls and I’m…
– Yeah, yeah. – It’s just across the board,
girls need to stop letting penises
in their vaginas too soon. You can do other things
with penises and you can make out
and you can hook up. But we are– we are…
– Yeah. – …as women,
conditioned to when something– a penis goes in you,
your body makes a connection with a man that is a bond because it thinks he’s going off
to hunt for you, you and your baby
that you’re making even though you’re just drunk
and you met him at a nightclub and he’s not going hunting
and you’re not making a baby. – Mm-hmm.
– And then you– then you get thrown off
and you hold– get like, you know,
screwed up about this guy and he throws you
off your tracks. So I’m just trying to really– Guys aren’t gonna like
this special. (laughing)
– But let me tell you right now, that is so powerful
you’re putting out there because what people
do not realize, sex is very powerful.
– It’s very powerful. – And it’s an emotional,
it’s a spiritual bond that people do not wake up to. And it’s very, very difficult
to walk away from it. – It is, and both men and women
need to be very cautious about it…
– Absolutely. – …because it–
it does bond you in ways that you don’t even understand
that your body does. – Yeah. You don’t.
– And it’s really risky and I wish it was taught
in Sex Ed a little bit more of like don’t– like watch out
for your emotions. – Absolutely.
– It’s not fair. I wish I would have figured it
out sooner. And I’m still
figuring it out because… – Your special’s gonna be
in the curriculum of schools across America.
– I hope so. I really hope so. Tony is in “Toy Story 4.” When you got the call
to do that, um, this movie, I mean, were you so psyched? – I was, but it’s–
I’ve got that imposter theory much like Forky in the movie
where it’s like someone’s gonna find out
that they made a mistake and I’m not supposed to be here.
– Do you still have that? – Oh, 100%. You know, my wife worked
on “SNL” as a makeup artist for many, many years,
and she said every single actor
that came into “SNL” had the impostor theory.
– Yeah. Yep. – That someone’s gonna find out. It’s almost just like
built into us. And so I feel like that,
when they said it, I was like, no, surely
they meant, you know, Tony Danza or something
like that. (laughter) And then when it came in waves,
where it was like, oh, wow, that is my voice,
and then it– Even at the premiere last week,
I was like, all right, well, maybe I am.
Maybe that is me. You know, so it’s–
– Yeah. – It’s just the realization. ‘Cause, I mean, it’s been around
for 25 years. And when I first moved
to New York in ’95, the first “Toy Story” came out. And it was like, it’s weird.
– Wow. – Like I remember
seeing that movie and being like, oh, my God,
this is beautiful to think one day I’d be somehow
associated with it. – It’s so cool,
but that is nice to know that that impostor syndrome
even goes… – Oh, yeah.
– You’ve won two Emmys. Now, when you won those,
did you think, maybe there’s some glitch
or it wasn’t a good year? Do you make up excuses?
I mean, how do you…? – Do you know what?
I’m glad you asked. ‘Cause I remember
when I was going to the Emmys or something, it was,
I remember, I used to minimize it,
kind of like, oh, you know, it’s– doesn’t matter, just to kind of digest it
’cause it was so big. And my therapist was like, well, this time when you go,
just kinda look around and absorb the moment
and be like, all right, so I’m here. This is wild.
This is cool. I’m here.
This is a lot. I’m nervous. But like watch people.
And because of that, I remember it.
– Yes! – ‘Cause when I would
find myself kinda detaching from it
just ’cause it was too… Even if it’s hard stuff
or good stuff when you kinda detach
’cause you don’t wanna feel it, I don’t remember it.
– Yeah. – But when you allow yourself
to feel it and look around and be like, okay, there’s that,
then I tend to remember it more. – I mean, you’re dead on. I’m seeing a new therapist
now too, who often tells me,
just check in with your body and like your surroundings…
– Mm-hmm. – …and place yourself
in the moment, just like you’re saying. And it does make you remember
and appreciate things more. I did the same thing
on my special. There was a big sign with
my name on it, and I’m like, who am I
that I’ve achieved this? Let me just take this in…
– Yeah, sure. – …because this is–
this is real. And– and it all goes back
to the thoughts things. Like it’s just–
Even in this moment, I can’t believe that I am
talking to you like a friend when you are someone that I have
admired for so many years… – Comes from a lot of pain.
– …and continue to admire. – My work comes
from a lot of pain. – Yeah, but–
As does mine. And it’s nice to know that.
It’s– it’s– – Do you have that moment
where you see your name and it almost doesn’t feel
like your name? – Yes.
– Where you’re like, who’s Nikki Glaser?
– Yes. – Yeah, yeah, yeah.
– All the time. – Yeah.
– It’s nice to know you feel that, too.
It’s, um… Because it is.
It’s– I’m present right now and I’m truly honored that
you are here at my show because it’s– it’s–
– Oh, my God, I’m so thankful. – You’re so cool.
You’re so talented. You’ve taken– I’ve always
said this about you, Buster and Gary
are two characters that you could’ve played
so similarly and have so many of the same… But they are so signif–
they are so different and lovable and tragic
in their own unique ways. You’re truly a master…
– Oh, that’s so nice. – …of comedic acting.
– Oh, that’s really nice. – And people will look to your
performances for– forever for inspiration.
– Mmm. I love that Buster and Forky
and Gary are all kinda neurotic. – Yes!
– And it’s like they’re little neurotic Avengers.
(laughter) Just out there doing good.
– Oh, my God.