Health is something you have to do from within. This (Referring to Oneself) is designed for health. Right now in United States. Thirty percent of the healthcare bills
are in the last one year of someone’s life. We need to bring a culture of health; how we eat,
how we sit, how we stand, how we breathe. So especially those of you
who are into becoming doctors, first and foremost thing is you must exude health. Sadhguru chants Kalo na janati thawa jananam… Sadhguru: Namaskaram. Hey, I said Namaskaram! Participants: Namaskaram (Sadhguru laughs)! Sadhguru: Good morning to everyone (Laughs)! Interviewer (Chetna): Namaskaram Sadhguru! Sadhguru: Mhmm (Indicating agreement) Interviewer (Chetna): Before we begin, I’d like thank Sounds of Isha for their wonderful reverberating
music and touching our souls with their song. Once again… Sadhguru: I don’t think they enjoyed the music! Interviewer (Chetna): Oh, we all did (Applause)! Yes! Sadhguru: But nobody was on their feet.
They were just (Gestures) (Laughter). Interviewer (Chetna): Namaskaram once again,
Sadhguru (Sadhguru laughs). On behalf of Prathima Institute of Medical Sciences,
I’d like to welcome you to our college, Sir. It’s indeed a privilege and a blessing
to have you face-to-face. Sadhguru: Mhmm (Indicating agreement) Interviewer (Chetna): Sir, your presence and
your coming has rather created a big buzz all throughout our college and we’ve had questions
pouring in for the past couple of weeks. Sadhguru: Mhmm (Indicating agreement) Interviewer (Chetna): Yes, Sir. So before we begin with our questioning, I’d
like to introduce the student panel, Sir. I’m Chetna from third-year M.B.B.S. Interviewer (Ishwar): I’m Ishwar from third-year M.B.B.S. Interviewer (Abhilasha): And I’m Abhilasha
from third-year M.B.B.S. (Cheers). Interviewer (Chetna): Namaskaram Sa… Sadhguru: Hey, you got fans out there, Hmm (Laughter)! Interviewer (Chetna): Sadhguru,
with your permission, if I may. Sadhguru: Please! Interviewer (Chetna): Sadhguru,
coming to the first question, I’d like to draw your attention to a very
recent event that took place in West Bengal, where a group of doctors were brutally beaten up by raged family members of a patient
who died during his treatment. Sadhguru, how do you think we as medical students are supposed to deal with this violence
against healing hands? Sadhguru: Well, in Bengal everybody gets beaten up (Laughter); not just the doctors (Laughs). Every day you’re hearing it all over the place just about everybody gets beaten because unfortunately, we’ve created a culture of violence. Everything is settled this way. There’re many reasons, these are political stuff.
I don’t think it’s relevant to go into that here. But this is very important for all of us
that we create a culture of peace. When I say a culture of peace, every transaction… every transaction that human beings have –
somebody gains, somebody loses. Hmm? Yes or no? In every transaction, whether it’s within the family, in the community, in the larger situations in the country or among nations; whatever you do, always someone loses,
someone gains a little bit. How to go through these transactions
without making them frictious or conflict? This has to come within every one of us that, “When I lose, I don’t want to beat you.
I have some other way of settling it.” This doesn’t mean, “I will simply lose.” No. There are other ways to fight. There are other ways to fight than
getting physical with you, isn’t it? So this culture of peace will not come just like that. This culture of peace needs to be…
It’s a generational work. It’s not like one day slogan –
you all shout and go back home. That’s not going to work; it’s a generational work.
It’s about how we bring up our children. It’s about how we behave on the street,
how we interact with each other – On all levels, we create a culture of peace. As a part of this… Because this is the hundred-and-fiftieth
anniversary of Mahatma’s birth anniversary, I am also a part of the twenty-member committee
chaired by the Prime Minister for this purpose. As a part of this we’re doing various other things
but one aspect of it is, about culture of peace. So, we’re doing major events
in the world with top celebrities. The idea of bringing the celebrities in is
so that the world’s eyeballs will come to it. People should understand there is a
way of dealing with things peacefully. Mahatma is a representative of this, that he
found peaceful solutions for very violent problems. Not only in India. Using his inspiration
Nelson Mandela in South Africa, Martin Luther King in United States,
the entire movement there. very violent problems but
peaceful solutions were found. This is important if all of us want to exist. Why I’m saying this is, there was a time when
the only weapon we could pick up was a stick. The stick became a sword; the sword become an arrow; an arrow become a gun; a gun has become a bomb; a bomb has become a super – super kind of bomb. Once these kind of destructive capabilities we have, it’s extremely important that we have
a culture of peace within us. Because it’s not just going to be a broken bone.
I don’t know how you got it (Laughs). If you took a stick, it would be just a broken bone;
took a sword – just one man died but But, if you took a nuclear bomb –
now entire civilizations can go. So this has become extremely important now that there is a culture of peace within me and around me. This is not going to come with slogans;
this is not going to come with politics. This is a generational work that all of us
need to work for that we bring this into our lives. No matter what is the loss that we go through,
we learn to conduct it in a certain way. See, whenever something happens to us that
we think is injustice, we want to beat somebody. This is very important that you learn to
swallow injustice and work for justice. You don’t try to fix injustice right
there on the street. This is happening. So, you… Where the traffic is going in the country…
Just now I came from Hyderabad. The way it is going in our cities if you don’t
hit anybody today, it’s an accident (Few laugh). Hello? Yes or no? That’s the way it’s going on. But if as much as your car touches somebody
or your motorcycle touches somebody right there, they get down
and start thrashing each other. Because they’re disappointed nobody got
injured in the accident. Now they want to do that. How did this happen?
Don’t tell me, it’s okay (Laughter). So to bring a culture of peace is not one day’s work.
All of us need to work upon that. First of all, we should know how to be peaceful.
Peace means many things to many people. Because your medical students and doctors, you know, that human experience has a chemical basis to it. Hmm? So, what you call as peace, is a certain kind of chemistry; what you call as joy, is another kind of chemistry; what you call as ecstasy, is another kind of chemistry; agony, is one kind of chemistry; misery, another kind of chemistry; stress, tension, whatever you go through are different
levels of chemistry. Now, this (Referring to Oneself) …
this (Referring to Oneself) human body is the most sophisticated and complex
chemical factory on the planet. Hmm? Do you agree with me? Sadhguru: Only problem is you’re a lousy manager. Hello? You’re a lousy manager, it just –
boom, boom it goes inside. The bomb is not outside, the bomb is inside. Outside bomb is only a further facilitation
of the bombs that explode inside, isn’t it? You’re watching movies where
everything is settled violently. Tch, your heroes are always bashing,
bashing, bashing people, isn’t it? Hello (Laughs)? So if you like that and if you think that’s
the best way to do it, that’s the way you will do it. What I hit with my hand when I think I’ve lost
something big, I will also bomb you, isn’t it so? Hello? If all I have is my hands, I will use it;
if I have a gun, I’ll use it; if I have a bomb, I’ll use it. Every two months at least you’re
hearing from United States. Somebody walks into a school
and shoots all the children. Hello? You’re hearing this, isn’t it, repeatedly? Universities, schools – because
they have access to guns. People think it’s an American phenomena. No, no, no. In India, if people had access to guns they
would have shot each other everywhere. Yes or no? Participants: Yes Sadhguru: There is no gun,
so they’re slapping each other or some people are more equipped,
they’re stabbing each other, all right? So please understand this – the violence is
not in the society; the violence is within us. What have we done about that? This is what Inner Engineering means that
you engineer yourself the way you want to be. Nobody can take you where they want. If somebody else can decide what should happen
within you right now, you’re an absolute slave, isn’t it? Hello? Hello? Participants: Yes Sadhguru: You don’t like it? See, if I decide how you should dress,
how you should sit, what you should eat, you’ll say “this is slavery,” isn’t it? But if I decide right now whether you can
be happy or unhappy, peaceful or violent, within yourself – if I’m going to decide this,
are you not in slavery? Worst kind of slavery, isn’t it? Participants: Yes Sadhguru: That, what happens within you,
I will decide – this is what you are allowing in your life. You’re allowing this to happen to you that
somebody can decide what happens within you. If you don’t take charge of this (Referring
to Oneself), you will live a life of a slave; when you live a life of a slave, you will
always feel life is unjust to you; when you feel it’s unjust, violence is a
natural consequence of that. This happened. Can I tell you a little story? Participants: Yes! Sadhguru: No? Participants: Yes! Sadhguru: Okay, because some of you are shaking your head like this (Gestures), maybe it’s a different society (Laughter). I’m seeking your permission because for most people the moment you say “once upon a time”
they think it’s bedtime (Laughter), especially in the last rows, the lighting is correct. A yogi was walking by… What’s this village? What’s the local village?
Interviewer (Chetna): Choppadandi Sadhguru: Hmm?
Interviewer (Chetna): Choppadandi Sadhguru: Choppadandi?
Participants: Nagunoor? Sadhguru: Hmm?
Participants: Nagunoor? Sadhguru: Nagaluru? Oh, naguthara antharu (Laughter)? Nagaluru! A yogi was passing by in your Nagaluru, tch. A few people gathered and abused him
in every possible way they can abuse him. He listened to all the abuse very attentively,
not ignoring them – very attentively. Then he said, “I have an event in Prathima college.
In the evening, I’ll come the same way. If you have something more to say
you can tell me at that time.” These are the kind of people,
they will say hundred things. If you say one thing, they will beat you.
They’re just waiting for that. But he said… he heard all the worst
kind of abuse and then he said, “In the evening I’ll come back if you’re ready for more.” Now, what do you do with this man? Because this man is like this,
not because he’s a coward – he’s like this, because he’s decided how to be in his life. He’s decided he lives peacefully and joyfully. You pull him whichever way you want, he won’t come your way; he’ll go only
where he wants to go – an intelligent man or no? Hmm? Participants: Yes Sadhguru: Ahh, this you must look at yourself and see.
Anybody can drag you whichever way they want, isn’t it? One word – tch, just one word, they can drag you. This freedom every human being,
especially the youth of this country must earn that nobody can decide how you are within yourself
and what you will do with your life. You decide. Otherwise, you will live a life of a slave. When you live like a slave, at some point
your frustration will burst out as violence. So it doesn’t just happen to the doctors.
It just happens to everybody. It’s happening to all kinds of people everyday, isn’t it? Interviewer (Abhilasha): Sadhguru, the “heart-beat bill” that is recently been declared in the US; it declares that any woman who aborts anything with a
heartbeat – she is declared a criminal immediately. Sadhguru: I didn’t understand that, please. Little… Interviewer (Abhilasha): The heart-beat law… Sadhguru: I don’t think her microphone is… yeah. Interviewer (Abhilasha): No, it’s fine. The heart-beat law states that any woman
who kills or aborts anything with a heartbeat, she immediately is declared a criminal and
this is a law in a developed country like US. And obviously, there are certain cases
where we see pregnancy brought upon by rape, pregnancy in teens and also
pregnancy with fetal anomalies. And they are still forced to have these children. So do you think it is justified that a law can
take away a woman’s right to her own womb? Sadhguru: See, I’m not for these kind of laws, all right? But at the same time, I want you to
look at it with a little broader aspect. In this country, there have been many people
who have killed their own daughters. I’m particularly saying daughters because that
happens more to girls; it also happens to boys. Because the father believes “After all, you’re my child.
If you don’t behave the way I want, I will kill you.” It’s happened or no?
Participants: Yes Sadhguru: Not one or two – it’s happened in quite substantial number that you cannot ignore the number. That kind of number, it’s happened. So where does this right come? Because it is “Because of me you’re born, so you must do what I want you to do. So I’ll take your life.” So similarly, “It’s my womb,
I will do whatever I want,” this will not go. At the same time, a woman has a freedom to do what she wants but what she wants does not mean you
can take it to any level of irresponsibility. There was a time when women had no
means to prevent pregnancies, all right? Today, there’s substantial means, isn’t it? So I would say within five, six or ten weeks
or twelve weeks or fourteen weeks, you must terminate if you don’t wish.
But allowing the child to grow… I’ve seen cases; I’m saying this particularly
because I’ve seen people. They have boyfriends and they got pregnant. Now, it is five-month pregnancy…
This really came to me a few months ago. And the boyfriend left her,
some fight between them, he went away. Now she wants to abort the child. This is not okay.
You cannot go on like this. I think some kind of number of weeks we can fix. In my judgment, I think before
forty-eight days if it happens, it’s best; but sometimes a woman may not
be able to know that she’s pregnant. Let us allow ten weeks, twelve weeks,
maybe fourteen weeks; you can’t go to twenty-five weeks, thirty weeks
and try to terminate a child. This is not nice because it’s alive – it’s a living life! You must understand of all the creatures on this planet, a fetus as a life is the most helpless life. Yes? Participants: Yes Sadhguru: Even a little child – a two-year-old child, if you try to do harm to him he will bite,
he will do fight, he has some defense. A fetus is totally in your mercy.
You must treat it with utmost compassion. Because of your convenience
you can’t do whatever you want. At the same time does somebody else decide this? No. A woman should decide this –
there’s no question about that. But at the same time, some kind of norm has to be there that within this much time it must happen. After the child is grown, there is substantial studies saying the child has even emotion towards the mother. You don’t kill a life which has emotion, isn’t it?
That amounts for something else. So I think both the sides take
extreme positions. This is the problem. Let’s take a more humane and practical position. Why are you for or against something?
It is a question of life, isn’t it? How do we handle this life?
With what due respect do I handle this life? It has been happening. Yesterday or day before
there is some information saying the male-female proportion in the country
has improved. Congratulations! But at the same time, why was it down? Female children who are born after… because
they didn’t go for sonogram, this, that. They’re born and they’re girls; simple thing
what’s being done in the villages is, they just take some paddy granules
and put it in the mouth. It goes, gets stuck somewhere and the child
dies in a terrible way, just because it’s a female. So now, if I can terminate a child at five, six months,
why not after ten months when the child has come out? I’m saying the logic will extend itself;
you must be careful about taking up causes. Because where will it… what is the consequence
of what we do today – tomorrow, to what extremes will people take it? This must be taken into account because
what I am saying is not a rarity. how many thousands must have been killed? Only few are caught. Hello? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: Only a few are caught.
Thousands have been killed. Because a five-day-old child, if it dies, people will…
you know, think something happened to the child. Infant mortality is there. How much of this infant mortality is
actually murder? Nobody knows, okay? So we must be careful what we argue for.
This is not about “this-versus-that.” A more humane way of handling life
is definitely needed, isn’t it (Applause)? Interviewer (Ishwar): Namaskaram Sadhguru. Fasting on auspicious days has existed
in India since time immemorial. But many Indians believe that
it’s unscientific and illogical; until, the work on autophagy induced
during fasting has been awarded the Nobel Prize. Even I started doing intermittent fasting
this year (Sadhguru laughs). So why are such beneficial ancient practices
being labeled “orthodox” and then immediately implemented
once there is a Western approval? Sadhguru: That’s because you don’t have
the right color of the skin (Laughter/Applause/Cheers)! I’ve been talking about this for forty years,
all right (Laughs)? And I’ve seen hundreds and thousands of people
who just become healthy and well, simply because they’re not fueling up all the time
when the tank is spilling (Few laugh). In the yoga center, everybody eats at ten o’clock
in the morning and at seven o’clock in the evening. Our lives are very physically active.
There are no automobiles inside the ashram. It’s a large place, everybody either walks or cycles. Even if you have to go to the dining hall,
it’s a kilometer; if you want to go to your workplace, it’s half a kilometer, one kilometer.
Like this, all the time people are physically active. So everybody is very hungry. By the time it’s 3:30 –
4 o’clock in the evening, they’re extremely hungry. But we learn to live with that because hunger…
empty-stomach and hunger are two different things. Hunger means your energy levels start dropping.
But empty-stomach is a good thing. In the yogic sciences… today modern science
also is coming in line with this. But what we know by our experience,
you will spend a billion dollars to come there. Because research (Laughs) is all about
“how many million dollars,” that’s how it is. Your body and your brain works at its best
only when your stomach is empty. So we always make sure we eat in such a way,
how much ever we eat, our stomach must be always empty within
two to two-and-a-half hours’ time maximum. So we go to bed hungry always. People
think they cannot sleep – they can sleep! On an average.. For twenty-five years on an average,
I slept only two-and-a-half to three hours. These days, I’m getting little lazy and sleeping anywhere
between three-and-a-half to four-and-a-half hours, in spite of the level of travel that I have. When I say level of travel; if I say my level of travel in the
next few days, you will fall off your chair (Laughter). Yes! Should I tell you? No. Not necessary (Laughter). Because in the next ten days, I’m in five different countries doing I don’t know
how many events (Laughs), all kinds of events. So you’re able to keep this (Referring to Oneself)
up simply because you don’t over-eat. It’s very, very important. Everybody eats two meals; I generally only one meal, 4:30 – five in the evening because I don’t like to sit in front of the plate and worry about how much to eat. I like to eat well. So 4:30 – five in the evening if I eat meal,
it’s only next day. Is this enough? It’s…Am I looking okay? Hello? Participants: Yes! Sadhguru: I’m not looking like your patient, isn’t it? I’m not going to come to you (Laughter) Because any correction and purification
that needs to happen in the body, your stomach needs to be empty –
it’s very, very important. Otherwise, the purification on the
cellular level will not happen. You pile up things and then you have all kinds of problems. The first thing is inertia in the body. Inertia means – there are many levels of inertia. If you don’t notice all that,
the amount of sleep that you have is inertia. All of you – you have come here to live or… Hello? Participants: To live. Yes. Sadhguru: To live, right? Not here (Gestures), here (Gestures). I’m saying in to
this (Referring to Oneself) life (Laughter). You want to live or… The intention of life is to live, isn’t it? But because you talked about American doctors,
this is all being picked up here also. All American doctors say minimum
seven to eight hours you must sleep. So that means one-third of your life you must sleep. Another two, three hours… four hours, goes in
bath, toilet, eating, this, this, this, you know. So literally, fifty percent of your life is just maintenance. Suppose you have a vehicle – you have a motorcycle
or a car, if it goes to service one day in a month, all right to keep it; if it goes to service fifteen days in a month,
this is a nuisance, isn’t it so (Laughter)? Most people have made their systems into a nuisance, because their own body is a big impediment in their life. Anything they want to do, their body will not allow
them to do. So in this there are many aspects. One important aspect is people are eating
much more than what they should eat. Simply because they’ve been told you must eat more, otherwise you will become weak, this, that. No, it is the way you keep your body. A fuel today… Everybody’s trying to work towards
a fuel-efficient car, motorcycle, everything. This means what – if the machine runs smoothly,
it will consume less fuel, isn’t it? So if you sit here and you are very much at ease;
now it’ll (Referring to Oneself) consume less fuel. If you’re (Gestures – hyperactive) like this all the time; then it’ll consume more fuel, it will want you to eat. Compulsiveness will come about this. So this new name “intermittent eating” (Laughs)… You should see in United States
people come to our programs. Our programs will run ten hours, twelve hours. So… But they will come with some
biscuit and something else. They say, “I have sugar intolerance, I have to eat.” I tell them, “You just be here, you’re not going to die. I’ll ensure because I don’t want anybody
dead on my hands, all right (Laughter)? I’ll make sure.” First day, “No, no, no. I have to eat,” By third day they gave up all that. Twelve hours
without food they sat there; they’re perfectly fine. See, health is not something you can do from outside. Health is something you have to do from within. From outside when something goes wrong,
you can seek some help. But all the time something is wrong with you,
this means what – you’re a faulty machine. Yes? All the time something is wrong with you – why? That’s not how this (Referring to Oneself) is designed. This (Referring to Oneself) is designed for health. Every cell in your body is designed
to create health, isn’t it? They’re all working hard to create health,
except you (Few laugh). So, minimum eight-hours gap is
what is recommended in yoga. Between one meal and the next meal
there must be an eight-hour space. If you do this, you will see half your problems
of health, whatever you have health problems, minimum fifty percent will go away in six weeks’ time. If you do certain other things which may right now seem little extreme to you; if you have a little yogic practice, something meditative within you, then you will see
ninety percent of your problems will go off. Ten percent if it still persists, we can treat it. Now it’s become like this. The health care systems; especially
where there is heavy insurance policies, people are eating and drinking all kinds of rubbish,
go to the doctor and say, “Fix me” (Few laugh)! This is not how it works (Laughs). Interviewer (Abhilasha): Sadhguru, in the medical wards, when we come across our first patient death,
we’re very moved… Sadhguru: Oh, the very first one you’ve killed (Laughter)?
Interviewer (Abhilasha): Not the very first one obviously. Interviewer (Abhilasha): Our first death of a patient, we are very moved but gradually as we come across,
if and when we do come across more deaths, we become very nonchalant and unperturbed. Do you think this desensitization towards death in the
medical profession is compromising our humanity? Sadhguru: If you’re nonchalant, definitely. But being a doctor, every dead body you see
if you’re going to cry, then (Laughter/Applause) that’s going to be a very big problem. Because when you’re emotionally pitched up,
you cannot do things sensibly. Everybody knows this, isn’t it?
It’s very important. Well, if somebody is dying of old age,
it’s a different matter. But a whole lot of people might have come to you
because of injury, because of some other ailment, something – fit enough to live but you
have to do the right things for them to live. So if you are… your heart is pumping hard
when you see your patient breathing hard, then you will definitely do something to kill him (Laughs). It’s very important that you learn to treat it
as professionally as possible. This doesn’t mean you’re nonchalant. Nonchalant is not the word; unperturbed,
but concerned that he must live. The way you’re addressing the question,
I’m not picking on you. The way you’re addressing the question is,
a doctor is supposed to see lots of deaths. Doctor should see minimum
number of deaths on their table. That’s a good thing (Laughs/Applause). And anyway, this whole thing about people
coming to hospital to die is not a good thing. Mortality is a certain thing, right? All of us are going to die. So people need not go to hospital to die. People should learn to die gracefully. All other creatures die like this –
they all realize when they’re going to die and they will move to one place, sit quietly;
they won’t eat anything and they will die. Right now in United States, the statistics says…
tell me if I’m wrong about the statistics. Thirty percent of the healthcare bills are
in the last one year of someone’s life. Ten percent of the health care bill
is in the last twenty-two days of one’s life. Thirty percent of US healthcare bill means
over a trillion dollars. You understand? That is half of India’s economy. That much is being spent in the last one year,
largely lying down in one place, not able to move, not able to do anything; once in
a way open your eyes and close your eyes – for this. And it’s torture for that person – absolute torture. Doctors may think they’re treating – they are, of course that’s their intention; but patients experiences torture. Yes or no? Participants: Yes Sadhguru: We’re willing to go through some torture
if there is a lease of certain number of years to live. But there is no point going through torture, if hospital bed is the only place I can be and
I will last for another three months and die. Better go three months early. Hello? Now this may sound like “Oh, I’m saying let them die.” That’s not the point. That is not the point. The point is just this – both for the living and the dying,
it becomes extremely difficult this one year, isn’t it? Hello? It’s not only for the dying; for the living also and
above all for the person who is dying, we’re just torturing that man endlessly. And he doesn’t know whether he can live or not. So these are dangerous things to talk about
because then people start taking a call “Okay, enemy is going to die. Don’t treat him.”
That’s not the point. Within the medical system,
there must be a guideline – how far to go? To rescue a life, how far do you go? Right now, we’ve taken this thing
that we must go all the way; it doesn’t matter he’s just collapsing
but we won’t leave him. It is also very important he dies gracefully, isn’t it? Hello? Is it not important? Participants: Yes Sadhguru: But nobody can die gracefully when
there are so many doctors around (Laughter). I’m not trying to comment on this but what
I’m telling you is, we’ve built this culture now. Right from ancient times in this country,
when somebody… we see that somebody is dying, people came, chanted something –
whatever they believe in; put him not in the house,
just outside so that he feels free; you know, fresh air and everything; people, everybody sit there, wait, chant something.
Let him go out of old age. If you take him to the hospital, he may last
another week, ten days but he will go through torture. So there must be concern for that person,
for that life, which wants to exit. These are very hard decisions to make,
because crime may happen. All kinds of criminal stuff may happen
if you take a call on this. But as human beings our humanity should decide this; not our principles, not our laws, not something else. Our basic humanity must decide these things. But the way it is going right now in the Western world and slowly that is very much happening here, this needs to be looked at. Because
nearly eighty percent of the people… I don’t know.. At least in United States, I think eighty percent of the people die under medical care – at least. So they are not dying well; they’re just dying with lots of pain, lots of injections, lot of this thing, do this, do that. No. There is a point beyond which… First of all, this is not built into people’s lives. In this culture, yogis especially, when they feel they’ve done their work, they just sat in one place and they left. If that much wisdom is not there, at least
one must understand within himself. This is also for the… that person I’m saying, if you leave it to your relative, he cannot say, “I won’t get you treated.” If you leave it to your doctor, he cannot say,
“I won’t treat you. It’s time you die.” Somebody else cannot decide this.
If it’s my life I must decide this, isn’t it? But sometimes I may not be
in a condition to decide this. This is a complex affair but we need to re-visit this
without creating opportunity for crime. Without creating opportunity for people to misuse this, it is definitely something that we need
to revisit this and look at this carefully. If.. I’m not talking about euthanasia or something
but at least allowing somebody to die peacefully. When thirty percent of the health care bill
is going for the last one year, where they’re immobile in the bed,
what’s the point of this? It’s not just about money. It’s about the nation.
It is about the society. One trillion dollar health care bill
if you give it to India, this country is finished. That is just for three hundred million people.
This is for 1.4 billion people. So these things need revisiting but the
problem is the moment we open the subject “for” and “against” people will start screaming.
Everywhere they’re screaming. In the news channels they’re screaming;
political platforms they’re screaming; activists are screaming; social media is screaming.
You cannot say anything sensible in the country. It’s become like this because everybody are
vested interest groups, constantly screaming. If you quieten these screaming people, I’m sure
we can form committees in every hospital; some kind of a board, which comes, examines…
not an individual doctor. But a group of people who take a call whether it’s worth pushing this man endlessly or letting him go. A group – a responsible group can take this call. Interviewer (Chetna): Sadhguru,
according to our medical standards, ideally there should be one doctor for every 1000 people. But in India, it’s about half. That is about every 2000 people have one doctor. Despite this disparity, most of us dream of going
abroad and living in the comforts of the West. Sadhguru, what are the changes we should bring
at both the national level as well as in the medical field to control this brain-drain
and talent-drain in the country? Sadhguru: I would treat these two things – the
first part of the question and the second separately. Every 2000 people need one doctor, I don’t like that. You’re saying there’s not enough. Every 1000 you need one is it?
Interviewer (Chetna): Every 1000… Sadhguru: Oh, I don’t like that at all (Few laugh)! I would like every five or 10,000 people has one doctor.
That means they’re healthy (Laughter/Applause)! Recently because we are working to see how to bring preventive care into hospitals – large hospitals; so we are working with a large group, the Apollo group. The chairperson came to meet me
along with his whole team and he was telling me situations how young doctors, particularly cardiologists
having heart attacks and dying. He was talking about an incident where a
thirty-year-old doctor was driving home. On the way there was a… their own cardiac
care center, something was there. But he did not realize that he needs it because
you always think somebody else needs it, all right? He went home, parked his car, got down, took three
steps, collapsed right there, in front of his house-door. By the time his wife came and opened the door, he died.
Like this he said, these things are happening very often. When this came up, I just started thinking, “Oh, do we have such a possibility because we have
over four-5000 people living in the yoga center and every day, at least 10 to 12,000
people are coming and going?” Then I looked back and saw, we’ve not had a single heart attack in the last
twenty-seven years – nobody died (Applause)! Then I said, except for a few old people beyond a certain
age, no young person ever had a heart attack here, especially they did not die of cardiac stuff.
Said, “Sadhguru, that’s why I’m here” (Laughs). So I don’t like for every thousand people – one doctor; maybe it’ll give you a job, but it is not necessary. We need to bring a culture of health; how we eat,
how we sit, how we stand, how we breathe. If you bring this into the social life,
you won’t need so many doctors. See, I want you to understand. I’m not saying this with any prejudice against you;
my father is a physician, all right? Among many things that you do; professions,
various professions that we do, this is very vital service. When people are unhealthy or
people are unwell or something happens. But at the same time, for any given society
it is not a productive possibility. It is.. Because people are getting damaged
in some way, you’re fixing, all right. So do you need better cars on the road?
Or do you need more mechanic shops? Something we must decide, isn’t it (Applause)? We need to cultivate a better sense of health. Health, everybody must understand is their basic responsibility. It is not medical industry’s responsibility. It is… every individual should understand,
“This is my responsibility to be healthy.” This must be built from early childhood. I’ll tell you, if everybody invests just thirty minutes
every day for their physical well-being… Simple process if they do,
most of them won’t go to the doctor. The frequency of going to the doctor will
come down dramatically… dramatically! So every 1000 people need one doctor –
I don’t go by that. To keep him busy they must be falling sick, isn’t it? Because once he sits there, you have to keep him busy. It’s an investment of a person in the nation. So, if we work for healthy societies,
we don’t need so much of medicine. Definitely we need it; no human being will
go through their life without ever being sick, all right? It’ll always happen. But at the same time, how sick do you get?
How often do you get sick? This is not to say boastful things. But in these thirty-seven years that I’ve been active;
that literally every day, seven days of the week, three-hundred-and-sixty five days I have a schedule, normally eighteen-twenty hours a day, I have not cancelled one event
because I was not well (Applause). (Applause) This doesn’t mean I didn’t catch a flu;
this doesn’t mean I didn’t catch a flu; it doesn’t mean I didn’t get some fever;
it doesn’t mean I didn’t get a tooth-ache. All this happened but they never stopped my schedules. They don’t even today. Because there is a way a human being can
take charge of their own bodies, their own minds. If we don’t bring this into the society then we’ve just lowered the human potential, especially in our country. Because I want you to understand in this country,
the only resource you have is human resource. People and… Population is all you have. For 1.4 billion people, you don’t have a pieceof land for everybody. You don’t have any mountains; you don’t have
enough rivers; you don’t have enough forests; you don’t even have a piece of sky for 1.4 billion people! Yes – but we have people. If we upgrade these people to a higher level
of performance and living, we could be a miracle but if you leave them just like that unfocused,
unhealthy and whatever – we are a recipe for disaster. Yes or no? All we have is people. So upgrading the people involves
various things but the most fundamental thing is health, that people are healthy. Today there are issues of malnourishment. There are issues of people by choice eating bad food. Above all, one of the biggest problems
with India is they’re not physically active. There is no culture of fitness. You know, every year we trek in Kailash. Thirty-five to forty Indian tourists die every year
because of altitude issues. I take the largest groups. We are literally seventeen or eighteen percent
of the Kailash yatris who go there From Isha, that many people go there
but we don’t have a single casualty. Because we make sure people
are in a certain condition. Certain practices are taken care of,
certain discipline is there. Today because of constant year-after-year
Indian people dying, the Chinese government put a new rule last year saying that, Indians over seventy years
of age cannot visit Kailash anymore. But if you are an American you can go;
if you’re a German you can go; if you’re an Australian you can go;
if you’re whatever else, you can go. Only Indians over seventy cannot go
because Indians just die. How’s that? It’s a statement on us, how we are. So especially those of you
who are into becoming doctors, first and foremost thing is you must exude health. Hmm? If a patient sees you, you must look really
and then… healthy, isn’t it? You are only (Gestures) (Laughter). She was telling me…
“Why are they all sitting like this?” She said, “No, no, we are medical students.
We’re supposed to be serious” (Laughter). If somebody comes and tells you a patient
is serious, how do you understand? That they are on the way out. If you’re serious, what does it mean (Laughter)? Same thing! Hello? (Applause) There is substantial medical
and scientific evidence to show that only when you’re in a pleasant state of experience
your body and your brain works at its best. And for the sake of people who become your patients, so that they don’t turn into your victims, it’s very important that your body
and your brain works at its best. Hello? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: It must. It must work at its best. For this it’s very important, if you sit here
you’re peaceful and joyful by our own nature. This much you must do for yourself
before you touch somebody else… If I want to touch you, my hands must be clean, isn’t it? Hmm? It’s a simple humanity. Before I touch somebody else,
my hands should be clean. So before you talk about other people’s health,
you must be…tch… an emblem of health. You must do this to yourself. It’s very, very important. It will make a world of difference for the
people that you treat (Applause). Interviewer (Ishwar): Sadhguru, we have heard many stories of people
who enter into a deep state of meditation and they forego basic human necessities like thirst
and hunger for several months together. But science says that a person can die
within ten days of not drinking water. So can you please explain us how such a state
of metabolism can be attained? Sadhguru: For this you’ll have to bend your mind a little bit because it’s not in your textbook like this (Laughs). Just day before yesterday, somebody
sent me a message from the yoga center. There is something called as Dhyanalinga.
This happens very often. But this happened to a foreign national so
the message came to me, little concerned. So this person went and sat in Dhyanalinga
at seven o’clock in the morning. Because everybody gets only a fifteen-minute
slot to sit there because of the number of people. She sat there at seven o’clock in the morning.
She did not move till 3:00 PM. How many hours is that? Three plus eight hours… She just sat there unmoving.
She didn’t realize that she is sitting that long. She thought she’s going to sit for a 15 minute slot. So they sent a message to me, “Sadhguru…
like this she’s not moved. Should we disturb her?” I said, “Leave her alone. It’s okay.” Like this, it happens. Once it happened. I sat down, way back. I thought…
This was new to me also at that time. I thought I’m going to… you know,
I sat there for twenty-five, thirty minutes. When I opened my eyes, there huge crowd
in front of me in a village. Garlands around my neck. They’re all trying to pull my legs. You know,
in India… tch, (Laughs) India being what it is. And the moment I opened my eyes somebody wants to know about his business; somebody wants to know when his daughters will get married (Laughter);
all kinds of things. Then I said, “Where did all you idiots come from” (Laughter)? They said, “You’ve been sitting here
for thirteen days and…” (Applause). So, what happens in the system?
That’s what you’re asking. See right now, I’m speaking. If you check my pulse, it’s somewhere around
fifty-five, fifty-eight, in that region. If I simply sit quietly, it will drop below forty. If I simply sit down and I’m doing something
without interaction, talking, moving… if I simply sit, it’ll drop below forty. Now this
(Referring to Oneself) is at ease. This (Referring to Oneself) will not build
any unnecessary friction inside. So, the amount of energy it consumes is very low.
All of you are medical students, you know this. Twenty percent of the energy in the body
is consumed by our brain, though it is hardly a pound-and-a-half at the most. So, this much (Gestures) body is consuming
twenty percent of the energy, this much (Gestures) body is
consuming only eighty percent. If you compare this (Gestures) and this (Gestures)
in weight, what it’s fifty times more, much more. So, you must understand if you keep your mind in a certain way
the amount of extra energy that you have is enormous. Because you’re not unnecessarily consuming
wasteful usage of energy is not happening. This is true with every system. Whether it’s a car; whether it’s a machine;
whether it’s anything, how friction-free it is running,
that much energy will come down, isn’t it? Anything that’s happening with big friction
will consume enormous amount of energy. So physiologically, psychologically, energy-wise,
if you bring friction-free function of your system, metabolism will drop and
you will function very efficiently. Because when you want to pitch it up,
you have a whole range to pitch it up. When you want to lower it, it’s there. Right now the range that most people are carrying is very, very small. If you push them into activity,
they will get totally tired out. If they have nothing to do, they will freak.
If you have nothing to do, you freak, isn’t it? So in this condition, it will not go down. Now everything that you consume is higher
simply because you’re at a higher RPM, that’s all. We can… Within three days we can teach you
a simple form of meditation which will bring down your metabolism
by approximately twenty-four percent. This is the highest drop that you can have
in conscious states of meditativeness. If metabolism drops beyond that,
you will not have any sense of body. If you sit here, you have no sense of body.
It is from this that a yogi is sitting. See, if you sit down here, even if you don’t
have a watch your legs, your back, your bottom, everything is keeping time, isn’t it? Hello? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: (Laughs) You don’t need a watch. If you
sit here for three hours you know youneed to get up. Body knows. So someone is sitting for hours
or days because there is no sense of body. Why there is no sense of body is not only
because of drop in metabolism, it is also the intensity of your energy
which is not biological energy. Another dimension of energy is fully intense. Once it pervades the entire body, you have no sense of body. If I go into a program – ten hours,
twelve hours, I am the only one… I’m the only one continuously drinking water but
I am the only one who will not go to the restroom. I’m the only one who will not take a break. Everybody every two hours they take a break and come back. Simply because… how identified you are with your physiological process
determines these things to start with. But there is also sadhana. There is also
certain work to be done with your system. So everybody may not be willing
to do that level of sadhana but everybody must do some sadhana…something. So that what you wish to do, you can do effectively. Whatever it is in your life you wish to do,
you must be able to do it as well as you can. What the hell you do is not my concern. But whatever the hell you’re doing,
you must do it well, isn’t it? Hello? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: You must do it well. That’s very important for a human being
that we must do it well. So for this, it’s very, very important that your own body and your own mind is not an impediment. Your own body and your own mind doesn’t trip you all the time. They must be platforms on which you stand. Right now people have sunk into it.
See this is a platform, it’s good. Suppose it lets you sink into it,
it’s not a good place to sit and talk, isn’t it? It’s holding us up, so it’s a nice. Your body,
your mind should hold you up all the time. If that happens, your dependence
on the outside will come down. And also, water is not always
consumed through the mouth. Body consumes water in so many ways. If you activate the system in a certain way, it consumes energy. See, right now you eating food, drinking water,
breathing air, everything for what? To generate energy. But science has clearly proved to you
there’s enough energy everywhere. So if you’re able to take in energy as it is,
if you’re able to imbibe energy, how is this possible? The word “Yoga” means just this. The word Yoga means, you are beginning to
obliterate the boundaries of your individuality. Right now, this is me, that’s you –
hundred percent clear, isn’t it? Why? Because you think this body is me; that body is you. This is a clear boundary that my body and
your body has a clear boundary. My mind and your mind also largely has a boundary,
here and there we may overlap a little bit. But there is no such thing as my life and your life. Have you ever blown soap bubbles or you were a serious boy even when you were in school? No (Laughter)? Did you blow soap bubbles?
Interviewer (Ishwar): Yeah. Sadhguru: Let’s say we sit here and blow soap bubbles. You got this (Gestures) big bubble;
I got that (Gestures) big bubble. Now I said, “This (Gestures) is my bubble.That (Gestures)
little one is yours.This (Gestures) is my bubble.” Pupp, it went. Now I don’t say this (Gestures) is my air;
that (Gestures) is your air. Life is just like this. This is a living cosmos.
You captured some, I captured some. How much you capture will determine the significance
and the quality of your existence. I want you to understand this clearly (Laughs).
How much of life have you captured will determine this. You may have a big brain, you may have a huge intellect, you have a lot of knowledge but
you will not still live a significant life. Only if you capture a lot of life!
If you’re a big bubble, then it’s significant. If you have a big body, other people
may look at you and say, “He’s very big” but within you, that will not be the experience. If you have a big brain, people think, “Oh, he’s very smart” but within you, you will not have a significant life. Only if you capture a huge amount of life
within you then if you sit here, simply if you sit here also it’s too fantastic. When it’s like that, whether you open your eyes, close your eyes,
whether you do something, you don’t do something, it doesn’t really make a difference to you. Only then you will live in the world
as not being a vested interest. Because what you do and do not do;
what happens to you and does not happen to you, does not determine the quality of your life. That is when we can really trust you, isn’t it? Otherwise we don’t know why you’re doing the surgery (Laughter). I mean, these question marks have come, isn’t it? Can I tell a joke? Participants: Yes. A man went for a surgery. He needed a surgery,
so he went to the doctor. Doctor said… this is in United States. So doctor said, “It will cost you 36,000 dollars.” Then he said, “Doctor, I cannot pay that.
I don’t have insurance.” Then doctor said, “Don’t worry.You pay 3000 per month.” The patient said, “But that looks like a car payment,
you know? Installment to buy a car!” The doctors smiled and said, “Yes, I am buying a car” (Laughter/Applause). Interviewer (Chetna): Sadhguru,
in most Medical Colleges, the girls are almost twice or thrice as compared
to the boys who enter at the graduation level… Sadhguru: Really?… I didn’t notice that (Laughter)! Oh, is it so? I didn’t notice that (Laughs). Yes, they are more than twice (Laughs). Interviewer (Chetna): But we see a
complete reversal in this ratio when it goes to post graduationor the super-specialties. Sadhguru, my question to you is, where is a woman’s life or career compromised at some stage? Sadhguru: Well, nature has invested a higher level of responsibility in a woman’s body than in a man’s body. Well, more men are going to super-speciality but they were all delivered by women (Applause), all of them. So, I understand in professional career you may look at it
that way but that’s not the way to look at life. Only because our mothers took time-off
to deliver us and nurture us, we are sitting here and talking all this, isn’t it? Maybe my mother did not pursue her career. Has she become anything less, I’m asking? Has she? Well, I’m sitting here for her. Hello (Applause)? So that’s not the way to look at life but if it is some kind of a prejudice
which is stopping them, then we must look at it. But I don’t think so. Still, maybe for a lot of these girls
who are here for medical, many of their parents think if she becomes a doctor,
she will get a better husband (Laughter). They are not thinking that she should
become a great doctor. They are only thinking if she is M.B.B.S (Applause)… So, this is a generational thing; probably in
another fifteen-twenty years that will phase out. If you try to forcefully push it, it won’t work. If you wait, individual people
can do their own thing with their families. But as a social phenomena, I don’t think you can push it. But if you wait for another fifteen-twenty years,
I think they will go. That kind of prejudice will go. But women by themselves may choose not
to pursue careers beyond a certain point. Because a woman is naturally more life-oriented. When a man start doing something,
he forgets that he has to live (Laughter). A woman knows that “I’m a life. I must live.” So because of this she may take a wise
decision, how much of what to do. Man’s problem is, he just wants to be one step ahead of somebody, even if his life is ruined (Laughter/Applause). Generally for a woman, her experience of life
is more important than what somebody else is doing. So she’s making a wiser choice. Interviewer (Abhilasha): Sadhguru, our Hippocratic
oath tells us to keep our patients first and our responsibility being to alleviate
their suffering as well as their pain. But in certain cases, like in end-stage of
cancer or other cases, we feel like there is no cure and more importantly, the patient is suffering. He’s suffering is more unbearable. So the question here is that do you think
we can recommend euthanasia for patients like these despite
it being against our moral code? Sadhguru: I think we already
went through this in a certain way. But Hippocrates oath, is not about
simply treating the patient. Hippocrates oath is about treating another
human being as a human being first; not as a client. These days in the West, doctors refer to their patients
as clients. That’s against Hippocrates oath. It is another human being who’s in some way
fallen and you have a certain capability. So, definitely making him well is your basic humanity. So they’re trying to build an ethic to ensure that you don’t lose your fundamental
humanity – that’s all the oath is about. Rest of it, there is a science to it, it has to go by that. And talking about cancer – If you look at it more carefully; far more intuitively,
if you look at it, there are many solutions to it. These solutions are not found simply because
we are looking at it on the surface. When I say on the surface… because the entire
allopathic system of medicine is symptomatic in nature, we are looking at the symptoms and trying to treat it. Now slowly science is going towards genetics
and other dimensions, cellular sciences and stuff. They’re trying to look at the source of it.
But the source is even deeper than that. Is it true, you were not born like this (Gestures)? You were born like this (Gestures),
slowly you became like this (Gestures). How did you become like this?
The food that you eat… If you… Because it’s mango season,
I’ll choose the mango, okay? You eat a mango, mango goes inside and slowly
becomes a man or a woman. Hmm? Mango is not a man or a woman, isn’t it? But you eat this, it goes inside and
becomes a young man or young woman. So there is an intelligence within this
(Referring to Oneself). There is an intelligence intrinsic to this
(Referring to Oneself) which is capable of transforming
a mango into human being. Tch. Suppose I took a mango in my hand and made a human being out of it, what will… who will you think I am? Hello? God, isn’t it? So whatever you call as “God” is essentially
that which is a source of creation! Isn’t all of you capable of doing this – you take a mango in your stomach and make it into human being. Are you not doing it? Hello? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: Or take just about anything
and make it into human being. So the source of creation is throbbing within you.
The question is only, “do you have access or not?” If you had access, one who built the whole machine,
can’t he do a repair job for you? If you buy a car, suppose there is some problem, would you prefer to go to the manufacturer or the local thinker? Hmm? Where do you want to go? Really? You do go to the manufacturer’s representative
showroom or do you go to the local tinker? They’re all vanished largely, isn’t it? People who go to the local tinker, you will
see their cars are going like this (Gestures) on the road, garr,garr, garr, garr, garr, like this Those who are going to the showroom for their service and everything, they are the ones who’re zipping around, isn’t it so? So, the manufacturer is sitting here
(Referring to Oneself). Well, if some damage happens from outside,then you go to the Tinker; that is, if you get an infection from outside. You must go to the doctor, there is no otherway. Rest whatever happens from within… If, as a society, as a population, as a generation of people, if we are willing to spend enough time on this, if we are willing to look at it
as profoundly as it demands, depending upon how much value you set upon your life,
you will pay that much attention, isn’t it? If you have valued your life enormously,
then if you pay enough attention, you find access to that which is a source. So it will naturally do its things. You got a infection, you go to the doctor;
rest, you’re manufacturing from within, isn’t it? Most people are sick by choice. This may sound
very cruel, but that’s a fact. They’re sick by choice. Because right from early childhood they’ve been taught, if they’re sick… if they get sick,
they will get what they want (Laughter). Yes. Even when you’re a child, don’t you remember? If you’re jumping with joy and screaming,
they’ll come and shout you down. You just have sit and cry woo, woo,
woo, woo, woo, like this (Gestures), suddenly they’ll do moo, moo, moo, moo,
moo (Laughter), everything for you. So even now, most people are doing this. Most people are doing this, when they want
to get attention they get sick. After some time, initially what starts as a play,
sometime later it takes over. The play goes on without your help. Genuinely people become sick. Interviewer (Chetna): Thank you Sadhguru
for answering our questions. We’d love to continue but we have lot of
questions pouring in from the social media. Couple of them here waiting to be answered. So coming to the first question… Interviewer (Ishwar): This question is from Roccio. “I am a doctor and I notice these days kids are being bombarded with antibiotics, steroids and immunity boosters. Is it possible to keep kids healthy
with a good immunity by natural means. Sadhguru: Definitely possible.
But it depends on various things. One important thing is, if we want to about India alone, one problem with India is there is not enough
natural spaces nor is it there in the culture for people to take their children to natural spaces. They’re all growing up in bird’s nest.
But bird grows up in a nest and then flies. I’m calling an apartment a bird’s nest.
It’s a bird’s nest, isn’t it? Because in that limited space without touching the soil, without touching natural air and without being exposed
to the various aspects of nature, leaving the many other things, the fundamental thing is the five elements
of water, soil, air, fire and space. These five things are the
basic composition of this body. We have in the basic practice of yoga,
is called Bhuta Shuddhi, that is, you cleanse these five elements within you. If these five elements are functioning well,
everything else will function well. So, the fundamentals of yoga comes
from what is called as Bhuta Shuddhi. If you attain to what is called as bhuta siddhi; that
you attain to a certain mastery over any one of them, suddenly you live in a heightened level of existence. So, can everybody do this? Yes, with simple awareness, they can do it. They didn’t keep water for you. Simple thing – water is kept in a copper vessel; just something as small as that can make a big difference. And how you treat the water. Today, there is enough science to tell you
that water, soil, food has its own memory. What kind of memory you create?
How you receive the food? The same food will do one thing in one person and
completely different things in another person, depending upon how you receive it. So culturally we have these things;
if food arrives, you sit there. Just take a minute. Bow down to the food – not to some god; to the food. Because it’s your life, isn’t it? Hello? What’s sitting in your plate, is not something else.
It’s your life. Yes or no? Right now what you’re breathing is your life or no? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: Did you ever… no? There (Gestures) (Laughter),
something that you’ve not seen . The soil that you walk upon, the water that you drink, the air that you breathe, the food that you eat;
this is your life. This is the source of your life right now. So in this culture, we always approached them
in a certain way. Not in a wanton way. When I say in a wanton way, some time ago,
I was just driving in Washington DC in a very… what to say… an ups… upscale area where all the top financial offices and all those kind of things are there. It’s around 12:30 in the afternoon, I’m driving. And by looking at the men and women who are
standing there, they’re all well-dressed and they’re just professionals working in financial companies and management companies and these kind of people. They’re all standing outside and the food…
their idea of nature is this, food is being sold on certain…what to say… not a proper
restaurant but it’s being served on the street. So everybody’s standing. And of course, you know, that burger which
is actually made for a hippopotamus (Laughter). Because it’s this… this (Gestures) thick.
How do you eat this? Not… I don’t have a mouth like that. How do you eat something which is this thick
(Gestures), but that’s how you’re supposed to eat. They’re all standing and hacking at their food
like this (Gestures). I just saw this. If my mother or my grandmother
has seen this, they would… she would say, “They are eating like dogs” (Laughter). Yes. But this is our modern life –
standing, mouthful and talking. You won’t believe this. We used to do programs;
now we have our own centers in America. Otherwise earlier, we used to do residential
programs in summer camps which the schools use. Everywhere when I first went I see, for choking… When you’re having…In the dining halls
if choking happens, what to do? Emergency choking, this thing.
In every school this exercise is taught in America. How many cases do you get in India
of choking on food? Not at all! Isn’t it? I have not seen a single person in my life
choking on food. I didn’t understand why will choke but every year
so many children die on choking. Why? Why? Do they have a smaller gullet or something?
Nothing like that! Then I saw the problem is you are eating
and talking at the same time. We were always taught, when we are eating you
don’t open your mouth to speak; you shut up and eat. Hello? Participants: Yes Sadhguru: Focus on what you eating, it’s your life.
You eat properly without talking to anybody. Mouthful you’re talking and you’re
choking on the food that you eat. Generally in this tradition, it’s considered
the worst kind of death that can happen to you is you choked on your own food. So, like this in the name of modernity,
we’re bringing these kind of practices, we don’t treat the food that we eat properly;
it’s not just the taste, it is not just the way it’s prepared, it’s all the way… also the way you receive it. Very important! So, your devotion is for a god that you have not seen. But if I don’t give you food for five days;
if even god appears, what will you ask, hmm? Food only! So water that you drink, food that you eat,
the air that you breathe and the soil that you walk upon, if you develop a certain sense of emotion towards it
they will behave differently within you. I know immediately, once this thing goes out, there will be activists who are in this country
who will scream and yell and say this, this, this. But for those idiots – even the western
scientists have come out and said, “the human consciousness has a huge impact on the food and water that we consume
and even the air that we breathe.” There is substantial evidence for that. As you said, even though we have the wrong skin, tch.
Slowly we are getting around (Applause). Interviewer (Ishwar): There is an add-on
question from my side. The antibiotic resistance is increasing day-by-day…
And ayurvedic practices are declining day-by-day. So how do we create a perfect amalgamation
between the practices of Ayurveda and Allopathy? Sadhguru: Ayurveda and Siddha and naturopathy
is growing big time in the West, particularly in Europe very big. In India of course, it’s dying because
they have to approve it for us to take it. Without their approval we cannot take it. But we must understand the difference between
Allopathy and these other Indian systems. These… Right now, an Ayurvedic doctor is going to another Medical College just like you go
for four years or five years or whatever. So what he’s learning is a downgraded medicine…
downgraded understanding. An Ayurvedic doctor or one who wants to practice Ayurveda, should not go to a four-year course. You have to invest your life in it;
otherwise, it won’t happen. Traditionally, from childhood they learn to feel the herbs; they learn to feel the people; the pulse and this and that. This is a developing a certain intuition, where we don’t go by the symptoms
that you’re showing on your body right now. We don’t see your temperature and say this is what it is. We don’t look at those symptoms. We learn to look much deeper into the system to identify what exactly is right and wrong with your system. This will take a different level of involvement.
That involvement is missing right now. We’re looking at things… If I do this much I must get that… this job
or I must get this place in the world. With this, these systems may not function very well. You must have heard this, the same medicine
one doctor gives in Ayurveda and Siddha, the same medicine – in one person’s hands, it works very well; in another person’s hands, it doesn’t work well. Because the person who gives it is
as important as the medicine. Because it’s not working just by its
chemical composition. The entire allopathic system is working
out of chemical composition. Anyway, there is a danger that another next twenty-five years, all medical colleges may have to close down. Because artificial intelligence will make
diagnoses by itself and treat you by itself. Surgeries are all happening.
Now, robotic surgeries are happening. Still human beings are needed because
machines need to be upgraded. But in twenty-five years’ time…
Even today in United States, I know doctors… I saw a doctor who… whom I know very well. He’s carrying an old Blackberry, the first model that came which is that thick (Gestures)
and a huge capability. Every time any patient whatever,
he just goes there into his Blackberry. I said, “What are you looking in the phone
and treating people?” He said, “No Sadhguru, the entire… all my textbooks are here, in this phone. I’m just looking and telling them.” So, if you can look, the phone can become
smart enough now that it will tell by itself. If you just tell the symptoms to Alexa, she will tell you what you should do (Laughter/Applause). So, this form of symptomatic treatment
may become irrelevant after some time because you are just gathering data and
processing it and giving an answer. This a machine will be able to do
better than any human being because it can process much faster
and much better, not miss anything. So it is time the young doctors
who are coming up now should focus on how you should be able to look beyond the symptoms. This is what Ayurveda and Siddha is significant about. There was a yogi with whom I volunteered for some time for his medical camps that he used to have. It was like a festival, okay? For everybody who comes to him, he has a
joke to tell them and it goes on like a festival. Simply something he will give and people are cured. Thousands of people will queue up for him every day. And he himself lived to be one-knot-six. See, if somebody lives for hundred-and-six
years of age – not in a geriatric state; fully active till the last day of his life,
he must know something about health, isn’t it? Hello? My great-grandmother lived to be one-one-three…hundred-and-thirteen years’ of age. I will tell you. This is…This may sound absurd to you. But you must listen to this because if you’re not open, there’ll be no new learning. Well, I saw her only after she is hundred.
But she was still very active. She was living all by herself in a open field.
She built a small temple for herself. Not for god; for herself. She built a temple and she sat in it (Laughter).
Because she felt she deserves a temple (Laughs). This is very common in India, especially
older women, built small temples. They sat there and they served humanity
in a different way, in their own way. So when we went there for vacations and all,
she would come home. If you give her breakfast, she will take this (Gestures) and put it to the ants, to the squirrel,
to the sparrows, everything. Most of the breakfast is gone like this. There are self-appointed advisors
who look at this and say, “You old woman! You don’t eat anything, you will die.” They all died (Laughter/Applause). And she will simply sit there looking
at the sparrows and ants eating. Simply tears would be rolling from her eyes. And when somebody said,
“You have not eaten.” She said, “I’m full!” When I sometimes saw her like this and I asked,
“What is this happening to you?” She would just laugh loudly and she would say,
“Someday you will know.” It took me over twenty-five years to know this – that your life is not nourished hundred percent
by the food that you consume and things that you do. Life is a bigger phenomena than what
you thinking your head; much larger. Before you came, this cosmos was there.
Everything was working. After you and me are gone still it’ll be fine, isn’t it? There is an intelligence beyond you. Don’t immediately quantify it as god, this, that. Because you’re making a conclusion
about things that you do not know. If you stay here… This is very important… If you live here, clearly knowing
you don’t know a damn thing about anything, your intelligence will remain alert to everything. But you make conclusions; reading a book,
listening to this and that nonsense. You say, “I know this,” “I know that, “I know that.” The moment you identify with your knowledge
you will become very small. Because it doesn’t matter how much you know still,
what you know is a miniscule in this existence, isn’t it? But our ignorance is boundless. If.. This is called as the “intelligence of ignorance.” If you always know that you do not know,
your intelligence will remain super-alert, whether your body is awake or asleep,
it will remain super-alert. This is what a doctor must do. Because… I’m sorry to say such things. You may know medicine; you might have
read all the books in the world; you might have treated many patients
but still, like she already asked. She had a first death… first… (Laughter). Everything seems to be perfect, somebody
(Gestures – snaps fingers) will die in your hands. Everything looks like he’s going to die,
he will sit up tomorrow morning. You will see this happening. Yes or no? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: So there is intelligence beyond you and me. There’s an intelligence which makes us happen. There’s an intelligence which can
make a mango into human being. If you don’t allow that to function within you,
if you think everything is in your head, you will become a dumb doctor. You must allow the deeper
intelligence within you to function. Interviewer (Chetna): Sadhguru, There’s
another question from Somalia. She wants to know at Isha, there are many processes that involve tying of
a thread around the hands of person for their well-being. In Indian culture also such practices are followed. For example, in Raksha bandhan, a sister ties
a thread around her brother’s arm. What is the significance and purpose of
Raksha bandhan practice? Sadhguru: Oh, they are trying that plastic,
chinky-minky on somebody’s hand these days. The idea is to tie a consecrated thread. Tch. Marriage is also happening like that, isn’t it?
Mangal sutra. Now of course they’re wearing a dog-chain (Laughter). You’re supposed to wear Mangal sutra. Every year you’re supposed to renew this. Because energetically, it is prepared in a
certain way that it does certain things to you. It is in the preparation of the thread. Normally we are using a non-sanforized
cotton thread or a silk thread which is not put through the chemical process
and we are using certain methods to energize this. Because these are materials which
can retain energy for a period of time. So, this was used to bind people in a certain way, to create a certain sense of
security and stability in the system. But Raksha bandhan, all these things have
become very market-oriented stuff. Everybody is tying a plastic, that chinky-minky stuff.
You know, what’s all it’s made of all kinds of things. No, it… these are supposed to be done. See the… only the ritual has remained; the science has not remained. That’s a problem. Over a period of time we’ve carried the ritual
but we’ve given up the science of it. So let us say it so happened, stretching it to the limit… It so happened, you’re a surgeon. After a few generations, you forgot why you do surgery. You just understand you have to cut up people (Laughter). Then you better be in the
pathology laboratory, isn’t it (Laughs)? Even there you cut with a purpose;
not simply cut up people. Interviewer (Abhilasha): Sadhguru, this is the last question from the social media array of questions. So this question comes from Rim. He says that Steve Jobs was said to
have a bad temperament. He often subjected his employees to profanity, fired them in public and pushed them
to the extreme limits of performance. He’s also considered one of the
greatest innovators of our time. Is such behavior justified as long as one
delivers results (Sadhguru laughs)? Sadhguru: I don’t usually like to make a personal
comment about somebody who’s already dead. Okay? But I’m asking you. One thing is what we do; another thing is
what kind of human beings we are. Is it important, what kind of human being you are? Hello? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: I did something. What did I do?
I designed a phone. If you did not design it, Koreans would have done it, Chinese would have done it, Indians also beginning to do it. Yes or no? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: There is a certain brand-building
process in the world with which you can build a brand. And see I want you to understand. You’re a doctor… at least on the way. Does this (Referring to Oneself) body need
oxygen or carbon dioxide? Participants: Oxygen. Sadhguru: Oxygen. But people pumped carbon dioxide into a bottle
and said “the real thing -Coca-Cola.” It’s the largest brand on the planet, all right? More people drink… At least all these years more people drank Coca-Cola than people did yoga or people did anything else. In the remotest part of this country,
if you went twenty years ago, if you utter the word “yoga,”
they didn’t know what it was. But if you said, “Coca-Cola,” they knew what it was. So just because it’s branded like this and
marketed like this, does it become that your system has become such it likes
carbon dioxide and doesn’t like oxygen? Is it so? No. Only now because of the Prime Minister
pushing yoga in a big way, today, every village seems to know the word “yoga,”
even if they don’t know the practice of yoga. Branding, again; again branding! So you can brand things in so many ways,
you don’t go by these things. You tell me, is it important that you are
a pleasant and wonderful human being? Is it important for you? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: Otherwise you
look at it the other way around. Do you like to be shouted at? Right now, I can shout. You like to be shouted at? No. Then why do you think somebody else likes it? Hello? You don’t want to be abused, isn’t it?
Would you like to be abused? Then why do you ever think that somebody else likes it? When you don’t like it, you know it is not nice to you. Why do you do it to this person?
Why do you do that? You lost your humanity fundamentally, isn’t it (Applause)? So, just because you made lot of money
I don’t think it means anything. Alexander, the great idiot
conquered half the known world. What does it mean? It doesn’t mean a damn thing to me. Only a fool would call such a man as a great man. He just spent his whole life killing people
and you call him, “Alexander, the Great.” No, they forgot his third name; it was “idiot” (Laughter) So, please do not go by these standards. Somebody has this much money,
so he becomes a great man – I don’t think so. Anyway, you… untimely death with cancer happened, you didn’t pack all your money and go.
There’s no container service in the end (Laughter). He went to the extent of saying that whatever at that time, he had some
forty-six billion dollars personal worth. He said, “Even if I have to use this forty-six billion dollars; every dollar of it, I would like to destroy Google.” So you want to kill it even if you lose all your money.
There are people like this. Even if both my eyes go, I want to take one eye of hers. This is the crudest level of existence
as far as I’m concerned (Applause). Interviewer (Chetna): Now coming to the
most awaited part of this event. Sadhguru: What is that, hmm?
You’re going to dance (Laughter)? Interviewer (Chetna): Now we’ll be opening…Sadhguru…
you can ask Sadhguru questions, you yourself. Audience members who would like to ask questions
please raise your hands and volunteers will come. Sadhguru: Turn it on, please. Questioner (Geetanjali): Namaskaram Sadhguru,
I am Geetanjali. And my question to you goes like this –
I’ve come across two common… Sadhguru: Please, if you can hold the mic… Questioner (Geetanjali): …things associated
with organ donation; one, is that if someone donates their organs, they will not have those organs in their body in their next birth. And second is that, you don’t get mukti. Do you agree with this? If not, what would you like to say to clear
the misunderstanding of the masses? Thank you. Sadhguru: How many idiots are going to get mukti,
first of all (Laughter/Applause)? The brain that you never used, if it can be
used after you’re gone, it’s a good idea, isn’t it? Hello? So, see there are certain aspects to it which
has been misunderstood and mis-propagated. Today, medical sciences are also looking at this with great curiosity that after a person is medically dead, certified dead, next ten to twelve hours,
a phenomena is happening in the body. You… You know this? Hmm? So when this phenomena is happening, if you start cutting up the body, it will disturb that phenomena. But in the yogic systems, we have known this for a very long time
and we have systems with which we want to hasten that as quickly as possible. If you hasten this and that process is over, after that what you do with the body is nobody’s business, okay? You can even give it to the local zoo, as food.
It won’t mean anything except for people’s emotions. But when the phenomena is on if you disturb it,
it has certain impact. It’s not like if you give away your liver,
you will come without a liver. Then what’s the problem? If you can function well without a liver, so many people are functioning okay without a brain. So what is the problem (Laughter/Applause)? So this nonsense should go. But at the same time, I meet lot of people
who…lot of… particularly society ladies, taking up organ donation as a mission in their life. “Everybody should donate their organs,
donate their organs…” Don’t push it beyond a certain point
because it has other consequences. Already it’s happening big time if you’re
not aware of it, in certain countries. See, whatever liver, kidney,
whatever you have – the organs; all of them are designed to last for a lifetime
except in a few cases. Injury or you drank yourself to death or you’re
trying to, you did so many things wrong. Now I everyday drinking and my liver going
but I want your liver now. This is a very dangerous thing. Please know this.
You must understand it’s not now. During Hitler’s time, they tried to harvest organs
and try to put it in other people – it didn’t work. They didn’t have the science understanding
but they tried. Even today, I hear lots of things in Cambodia,
Vietnam, people are being captured and their organs stolen and it is being transported somewhere else, where people can pay money for it. And you know, it’s happened in India, all right? So do not take organ donation beyond a certain point. Where it is needed, with somebody’s consent,
somebody gave it out of their love for someone else, that’s a wonderful thing. How wonderful it is! I’m willing to give away a part of myself
to make someone else live. Fantastic, it is! But if I capture you and take your two kidneys
and put it into my grandmother’s body, this is a horrible process, isn’t it?
So we must be very cautious about this. We may do one thing with a certain intent,
but where will it go? We must be able to see the consequences of our action.
Don’t push it too far – organ donation, organ donation. Yes, it must be there. It is an expression of compassion
for another human being. A human being that you do not know somewhere, you want to give it – fantastic. But we must be very careful. It should not be pitched up in the society
and create a marketplace for that. Once you create a marketplace, you cannot stop exploitation. You cannot. Nobody can stop it (Applause). Questioner (Vaachan): Namaskar Sadhguruji,
I’m Vaachan Someshwar… Sadhguru: Little… If you can hold it little closer…
It’s quite safe (Laughter). Questioner (Vaachan): Yeah… And my question is,
have you ever regretted a answer you have given? If yes, what is it? If no, how can you be so sure of your answers (Applause)? Sadhguru: Did I say something
that I should regret here, Sir (Laughter)? Questioner (Vaachan): Sir, I don’t mean like this. Sadhguru: Hmm? Questioner (Vaachan): I didn’t mean like this. Sadhguru: Okay (Laughs)? Please sit down. See, certainty of life is a wrong thing.
It is not about certainty; it is about clarity. What you say, you… what you see, you speak.
What you don’t see, you say, “I don’t know.” Because I’m always willing to say, “I don’t know that,”
I will not say wrong things. Only if you try to speak something that you do not know, you end up saying wrong things, isn’t it? I’m not such a fool. I’m not so arrogant in my life. If I don’t know something I’ll say, “I don’t know.”
So that doesn’t happen (Applause). Questioner (Sahiti): Namaskaram Sadhguru.
I’m Sahiti. Final year – Medical. I would like to know, in our daily life,
we come across bipolar situations. Like one side, we get praised for treating
and the other side in the same moment, if you lose a patient without any due
negligence, it’s the blame on us. Like how should we internally fix ourselves;
not the perspective of others. How should we internally fix ourselves? Like… should we go with the pain or should the guilt
eat us or should we go with these appreciations? Like how should we cope up with this situation,
mainly in our budding stages of our careers? Sadhguru: (Laughs) You should not listen to both (Laughter/Applause). Questioner (Sahiti): Be stoned, then? Sadhguru: Stoned? Oh, what are you on (Laughter)? Questioner (Sahiti): Like, I still go
with the emotional happiness… Sadhguru: No, no. I’ll come to that. See, somebody else’s opinion becomes important in one’s life
only when you do not know what you’re doing. Yes? If you are very clear about what you’re doing, what somebody says – good things or bad things,
it doesn’t matter. In fact, the best things that have ever been
done on this planet always got bad press, largely during their lifetimes and it was
only appreciated after they’re gone. Today the time-cycle has changed. It will come back sooner…
appreciation willcome back sooner. But you must not be doing things because of
appreciation or fear of criticism. You must be doing something
that matters to you, isn’t it? It really matters to you that right now somebody
comes to you with a broken hand (Laughs). It should matter to you that I want to fix
this hand as quickly and as well as I can, with whatever means I have in my hands. If she comes to me when I’m in the
orthopedic ward, I will treat her one way. Suppose in a jungle we were out on a trek
and she broke her hand, I will do in a different way. I’ll take the local twigs and tie it up. All this fancy casing won’t be there. But I’m doing my best – that much I know. It may not be the best treatment but I am doing
my best always. This one thing you fix. (Applause) Somebody else may come and say, “See,
the way you fixed this plaster is not good. You should have fixed it that way and
this way and this way and that way. Maybe he knows better.
But the way I know it, I have done my best. This is all any human being can do. Always.
But you should not fall short of yourself, isn’t it? What you can do, must happen. In our lives, if we do not do what we
cannot do, it’s not a problem; but if we do not do what we can do,
we’re a disaster. Isn’t it (Applause)? So you should not become such a disaster. So if you just stick to this one thing –
People will say many things. You must see, in the last twenty-five years, what all accusations and criticisms they have made about me. The same people now they’re all becoming…
(Gestures) tch, not just fans, they’re becoming devotees (Laughter).
At one time what kind of abuse – daily! Even now there are some people
who go on endlessly – endless abuse. People tell me, “Sadhguru, how do you listen to all this?” I said, “Just tell me what is the abuse going on? Because, tch, I wish to know.” “Sadhguru, you should not listen to all this.”
I said, “I want to listen.” Because, when you came and threw flowers on me,
fell at my feet – personally, it doesn’t mean a damn thing to me.
If it’s good for you, you do it. Or, when you throw stones at me, it doesn’t
mean a damn thing to me. Okay? Because I’m hundred percent clear what I’m doing. Maybe you will take time to evolve
and appreciate what’s happening. But this is not being done for you appreciation. This is being done because this is my way.
Let me tell you a little story. A guru was there on the banks of Narmada. One day he went for… you know, the bath was always
a dip in the river. So he went for his bath. His disciple was holding his clothes and standing there
because otherwise it’s muddy if you keep it down. He went in and he saw a scorpion
floating down in the water struggling. A scorpion is not a swimmer, you know,
he’s struggling. So the guru picked him up. The disciple screamed, “Don’t take that scorpion,
it will sting you.” Well, the scorpion stung him. The guru slowly walked down, slowly bringing him out. He stung him again and again. The disciple went on screaming, “What are you doing? Just drop the damn thing.” The Guru walked and let him out on the bank
and he went away. Then the disciple said, “What kind of rubbish is this?
He bit you three times. How much pain is there?” He said, “See, what are you screaming about? The scorpion is doing what it knows best. I am doing what I know best (Applause).
What are you talking?” That’s all. You’re trained to be a doctor, you do your best. Somebody says something.
Somebody will live; somebody will die. But the question is, are you doing your best?
That’s all, isn’t it? See, the doctors who treated patients
hundred years ago, in today’s level of medical science, they may look silly and stupid. But they were doing their best. That all, isn’t it? They led to a more… a whole lot of people
die for small things, because that’s all they had. But they were doing their best or not is only question. Because today medicine, science and technology
is evolved. All kinds of things could be done. At that time with what little they had, they did their best. Today also what you’re doing may look silly
in another fifty years’ time. Yes. Yes or no? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: Medical science will go to places where you
being a doctor… what you think is great knowledge may look absurd and silly in fifty years’
or hundred years’ time. Does it mean to say you’re a bad doctor? No. You’re doing your best. That’s all you can do.
Please do that one thing (Applause). Questioner 1: Namaskaram Sadhguru. My question was already raised by the
students’ panel over there. As you answered we have to be calm,
patient and self… Sadhguru: Did I? Did I say that? Questioner 1: Regarding the doctor attacks. Sadhguru: Oh! Questioner 1: So what is the time period? I mean see… how to safeguard our
doctor fraternity from these attacks. We need some advice or suggestions
how to safeguard from these attacks. Sadhguru: Don’t go to Bengal (Laughter/Applause/Cheers) Questioner 1: Add on to this… Sadhguru: I will come to it (Laughter). See, most of the time… tell…correct me
if I’m wrong with percentages. 99.9 percent of the time most patients
hugely appreciate what their doctor does. Right or wrong – they do not know. But just that somebody is looking at them
when they’re down, they hugely appreciate or no? Hmm? Somewhere this miniscule 1.1 percent –
don’t make that a big issue. Then everybody thinks we must beat our doctors. Okay? Don’t get into that mode. This whole doctor thing happened because of
the way a certain leaders responded it, all right? Not just because they were beaten. And even for them to beat there is a political
situation there which supports that kind of thing. That doesn’t happen everywhere. And at the same time we must also
understand not all doctors are straight either; there are corrupt people who do all kinds of things. There have been (Laughs)… In Tamil Nadu, there have been situations
where dead bodies have been kept in ICU for about three to four days and they were
caught with that. And beatings happened. The doctors didn’t complain because they were caught properly. So I’m saying, human beings do this and that. Don’t make it as the trend by overly talking about it.
Here and there, something happens – don’t pitch it up. “Doctors are being beaten, beaten.” Now people think, “Yeah, we can beat the doctors
whenever we want” (Applause). Do not create that situation. Generally 99.99 percent does not look at a doctor like that. Many people are looking at them god-like. Hello? So let’s not create that culture simply
by continuously talking about it. Yes, unfortunately, it happened. And not only that it happened;
it could have been easily diffused. But for whatever reasons, it went the way it went. If the election results were not so close behind,
I don’t think it would have happened that way. Yes, there is resentment. There is
certain things happening in the society. So don’t take that as everybody
is attacking the doctors; they are not. Do not create that narrative – “Doctors can be beaten.” No, nobody can be beaten,
especially not a doctor (Applause). Interviewer (Chetna): We can have one
last question from the audience. Questioner (Akhileshwar): Hello.
Namaskaram Sadhguruji. This is Akhileshwar Reddy, third-year medical student. Sadhguru: Please… speak up, hmm. Questioner (Akhileshwar): In Telugu Society,
in Indian society, parents take up the responsibility to educate the children to direct them into right career; whereas in contrast, in Western society, children take up their own choices
to what they become and earn their living. So how can this change in Indian society? Sadhguru: I do not get the context of the question. You’re saying here parents are supporting
the children till they finish their education or they’re deciding what course you should take? Questioner (Akhileshwar): Deciding… Sadhguru: Hmm? Questioner (Akhileshwar): To pay the feeses,
to…you know, they make their main choice of career. Sadhguru: At least why don’t you
hold the microphone here. I know you want to speak from your heart
but it works better here (Laughter). Questioner (Akhileshwar): That parents choose
children’s career, their life, what they become. Sadhguru: Is it so? They try to advise you little forcefully (Applause). But
I don’t think they decide completely. They encourag you. If you don’t go to what they want; your mother won’t eat
(Laughter); your father tch… acts depressed. A little drama will happen at home. But if you’re very clear where you want to go
you will cross the drama (Laughter). But you yourself do not know what you want to do, maybe you decided better to take advice from them. You…from somewhere you taking advice, isn’t it? Either from your friends; or from your teachers;
or from your parents; or generally the trend in the society – you’re taking advice from somewhere. So in that parents always have a stake. Unless you are very clear what you want to do. I think most people when they decide this,
they’re seventeen, eighteen years of age. They have no clue what they want to do.
They are being decided by social trends of the day. So why can’t parents also have their say?
They’ll also have their say. So most important thing is,
there are two ways to decide a career – what is needed in the world today?
Or what is it that I genuinely want to do? Do I have such a specific kind of
inclination that I want to do only this? Let’s say, I want to be an artist.
Now I have a certain talent. I don’t want my talent to go by going to a
Medical College – if I have the talent. But I just went and saw a movie yesterday,
where in that, hero was an artist. Because of that a very pretty girl came
and married him (Laughter). No, because of that you want to become an artist;
you don’t know what’s a brush and paint. Now parents will say shut up and go to medical college. If you don’t get that, go to engineering college
(Laughter). This is how Indian parents are thinking. Because you must understand –
in the previous generation, if you did not get the right education
you will end up on the street. Tch. Today’s situation is little better;
if you don’t do this, you could do something else. But in the previous generation, their fear was always this – “If my child doesn’t get an education where job is certain, what will happen,
what will happen, what will happen?” They’re coming from that. You have to give
an allowance to that. You can’t just ignore that. But if you are very clear,
what is it that you’re talented for? What is it that you’re going to do?
Anyway that’s going to happen, isn’t it? So it is not a question of western and eastern thing. West…in something else is happening. You must see – I’ve been to so many
universities across America and Europe. What I see is, in almost all the top universities, the students who are doing really well are just
Indians, Chinese and Jews. The white-Americans are really down; because all these three societies have good parental support (Applause). Unfortunately for the white kids,
the local Americans except for certain families, most of them are out of their family
by the time they’re eighteen. They’re living with their boyfriend or girlfriend,
managing all that. They’re working part-time and they’re trying to study.
Of course, you get tired. What will you drop – job or education? Education! Most people drop the education. So their numbers have dwindled. So small it’s become. You really go to any top university and see, everywhere there are… there used to be too many Indians; but today they are more Chinese, second is Indians, third is Jewish people. All of them have solid family support. They don’t have to go and work somewhere;
they don’t have to something. All their parents want is you study. And they come to the University, sit there and see if they’re studying or not, what’s happening, everything. The other kids are just drunk in the evening, doing those things. If that’s what
you want to do, it’s fine. But that’s not called education, that’s all. After some time in the society, who will dominate the situation will be
determined by who gets educated, isn’t it? So in that concern, parents want to push.
But I don’t think… that time is gone. For most of you, if you show a certain kind
of affinity or talent towards something, I don’t think cruelly somebody
will push you into one thing. It is just that if your father happens to be a physician;
he wants you to be a physician. Tch, I’ve gone through plenty of that (Laughter). Okay? So that’ll happen but you must be clear what you want. When you don’t know what you want it’s…
maybe it’s better to listen to somebody who seems to know a little better (Laughs/Applause). Interviewer (Chetna): Thank you Sadhguru
for answering all our questions so patiently. Because of time constraint…
I’m sure there are many more people who are… Sadhguru: Mhmm (Indicates agreement) Interviewer (Chetna): …waiting here for your answers.But because of time constraint we will have to end this here. Participants: One last question… (Sadhguru laughs). Interviewer (Chetna): Can we
extend it to one more question? Sadhguru: Yes, please. Questioner 2: Namaskaram Sadhguru,
I’m a huge fan of you (Cheers) Sadhguru: Oh… Not able to see you (Laughter). If you’re a fan, why are you there? You must
be in the ceiling (Laughter/Applause/Cheers). Questioner 2: Sadhguru I’m so curious
to know everything about life and this creation. So I have so many questions to ask
but you know everything, Sadhguru. So, I want to know every… every information, you know. So how can I gain that information
everything you know (Laughter). Interviewer: So, he wants to become Sadhguru. (Laughter) Sadhguru: See this is not about information. Even yesterday this came up. I don’t know why all
Telugu people asking same question (Laughter). See there are different
dimensions of human intelligence. Right now, you have an education system which
is leaning on just one dimension of your intelligence which is called as Buddhi or the intellect. You’re simply depending upon intellect. Intellect is like this. Do you… I’m going to ask you a question.
All of you should answer, okay? Do you want your intellect sharp or blunt? Participants: Sharp Sadhguru: Tch, so you understand that intellect is
like a knife. It’s a cutting instrument; it’s a scalpel. So if I want to dissect you, I need a sharp knife. So if I dissect you… Suppose I really want to know you, shall I dissect you? Hello? That’s a way to know. That’s the way you
know human body (Laughs). So if I dissect you, will I know you? I may look at your kidney, liver, spleen, this, that
but I cannot know you because you will be gone. You have dissected frogs and cockroaches at one time. Have you or has it stopped? Participants: Stopped. Sadhguru: Stopped. Tch. When we were studying we had to dissect these things. And we open up the frog. Poor thing is nailed like Jesus Christ,
nailed to the wood and his heart is beating. The teacher coming and telling heart is beating
like this; this is happening; this happening. I’m just looking and thinking,
“What is the damn frog thinking about me” (Laughter)? You know? Of course he can understand that much,
“What kind of an idiot is this? That he opens up my body; looks at the heart pumping
and says ‘heart is pumping nicely’” (Laughter). We would have just asked him, he would have told you,
“Yes, its beating” (Laughs) So, by dissection you can only know certain things –
physical things you can know. You cannot know life by dissection. But right now you only have a cutting instrument
– for everything same. See if you want to cut something,
knife is a useful instrument. Suppose I want to sew my clothes,
if I use a knife it will be in tatters. That’s all that’s happening to human life right now because they’re using a single dimension
of intelligence for everything. They’re using a knife to fix everything. I must tell you, there was a time
when I crisscrossed India on my motorcycle. So I’m somewhere between
Madhya Pradesh and UP early morning. Whole night I’ve… I am like this – day or night
I will ride without sleep; up to three days no sleep. I will be just riding simply – no destination.
Simply I enjoyed seeing India. Simply I rode, not to any particular destination.
So full night I’ve been riding. Early morning around 6:30 I come to a place
where there’s one little tea shop. I stopped there and those days and even now,
if you’re riding a chain-driven motorcycle, every few thousand kilometers you have to
tighten the chain; otherwise, it will become slack. So my chain has become little slack.
I have all the tools and everything to fix these things. But early morning… It’s easy job to do but your hands will become greasy; then
you’ll have to wash a lot to get the grease out. Then I sit down to have a tea. Then I look there is one little shack where
is written “Mubarak mechanical works.” So I thought anyway Mubarak mechanical works,
I saw a strapping young youth. Then I said, “Hey come here.” Said, “This chain is loose. Can you fix it?” “Sir, no problem, I can fix it.” Then he went inside his shack and
came back with a chisel and a hammer. Then I looked at it and said, “What? You’re going to fix my chain with chisel and a hammer?” He said, “Yeah, I can do it. I can do it.”
I said, “Just wait.” I walk down to his garage -“Mubarak mechanical works.” I walked inside. All he’s got is a chisel and hammer and he will repair anything in your motorcycle
but after he does it – that’s it (Laughter). After that, nobody can open or close anything. With a chisel and hammer he opens the bolt, nut, everything and does work but after that it’s finished. I said, “No, no, no. You’re not gonna touch
my motorcycle. I will do it (Laughs). Why I’m telling you this is, right now most human beings have become “Mubarak mechanical works.” They only have a knife; with a knife they’re
trying to fix everything. It doesn’t matter… See, just look at this and see. Is it the educated people or the uneducated people
who are ruining this planet right now? Participants: Educated. Sadhguru: Arey! Education should have brought more sense, isn’t it?
No, they are trying to fix everything with a knife. With a cutting instrument they’re trying to do all activity. They will be a mess. That goes for a doctor also. Their holistic… more holistic approach is needed, especially with medicine, with all aspects of life for that matter. So, the important thing is this there are
other dimensions of intelligence – we have buddhi, ahankara, manas, chitta, like this. In yoga, we look at human mind as
sixteen different dimensions. These sixteen dimensions have
different approaches to life. If you do not cultivate all those you are
only thinking of life as storing information. No, you don’t have to store information. It’s like this. How much time do you spend
in front of the mirror (Laughter)? Interviewer (Chetna): Half of my day. Sadhguru: Half of your day? Interviewer (Chetna): On and off… Sadhguru: Okay. I didn’t think a doctor got so much time
to spend in front of the mirror (Laughter). Anyway, whatever time. Suppose the mirror that you’re
using at home had memory and remembered at least ten percent
of what it has seen; today if you went and stand in front of that mirror,
it would be a total mess or no? Hello? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: The reason why mirror is showing you
just the way you are is because it has no memory. It might have seen 10,000 people but it has no memory. Because of this it simply sees everything
just the way it is. This is what you need to do to your mind.
It takes some work (Applause). Right now, you are totally leaning
on one aspect which is the intellect. Tell me if I take away your memory,
would your intellect be of any use? Hmm? Hello? Interviewer (Abhilasha): No. Sadhguru: Your intellect is useless without
the backing of the memory, isn’t it? So that is what the problem is. Like I said earlier your memory is your knowledge
and it’s your limitation because it sets a boundary. “What I know” “what I do not know”is a boundary,
isn’t it… between me and something else. If you want to breach that boundary, you must
understand experientially the intelligence of ignorance. Because memory is not the way. Memory
is a very small thing. It will help you to survive. It will not show you anything else; it will
only recycle the same stuff over and over again. Recycling something cannot be considered intelligent. Machine can do that. You will see another next ten-twenty years; you will see everything that you think is knowledge will be useless. Scholars who read ten books suddenly
they become very important. If you read ten books, you become a scholar; if you
just read one book, you become a religious person. And suddenly by reading one book
how did you become a representative of god? I don’t understand. Just reading a single book! We must look at this because this is very important. Human memory is very small.
My phone has more memory than you. It has six hundred GB, it can do ten PhDs in a day. Yes. So, people who are reading something,
remembering something and doing something great – those days are over. What you need is – you need an incisive intelligence
which sees everything just the way it is. For this, you need a plain mirror which doesn’t
remember anything but simply reflects what is there. If you want to work on it, please come. You’re a big fan, we’ll hang you somewhere (Laughter). Thank you very much (Applause). Interviewer (Chetna): Thank you Sadhguru.
I’d like to invite Dr. Agni for the vote of thanks. Sadhguru: Whatever you do, this is a great
possibility that you are in a medical school. Still in the world most of the population is un-served. So please, whatever you do, wherever you go,
just know this one thing that when people are sick, they are down and when people are down,
they need the best treatment. Hello? When I’m standing you can fight with me;
when I’m down, tch, you must treat me gently, isn’t it? Hello? Participants: Yes. Sadhguru: So just know people who are
coming to you in some way they’re down. You must give the best that you have to that person. Just do this one thing as a doctor,
even if you don’t become super-specialist, just this will do wonderful things to people.
Thank you very much (Applause).